Obama got Pwned. Again.

[mhaze]

It's like, this is so totally why civilized people are at such a disadvantage over barbarians.

The civilized guy gets up, kisses his wife good morning, takes a short jog, washes up, reads the paper, plays with the kids a little and goes on in to work to find compromise and whatever lets him sleep well at night.

The barbarians, get up, kick the woman out of bed, sharpen the hatchets, slice some bacon and rub it under their armpits, and go off to kick ass on the civilized nerd.

I'm sooooo angry.

I like bacon. Not so sure about the rest of your comments...

Then again the underlying currents of change may be vaster than a simple focus on Obaby...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/t...ea-party-but-the-death-of-the-socialist-left/

 

[sarge]

It was never about jobs. It is about the far rights distinct hatred of civilized society and their bloodlust to end it utterly. They've deluded themselves into thinking that when everything collapses they can reform society with themselves as unquestioned tyrants.

Not even the "tightest" of the Republican voters believe as you say. All but the prime sentence in your post is false.

 

[casebro]

Just another example of BO's poor leadership and lack of presidentialness.

 

[Upchurch]

Just another example of BO's poor leadership and lack of presidentialness.

The danger now is that we get another Ronald Reagan after this Jimmy Carter, and we can't afford to have another Ronald Reagan. I would say "ever", but especially "right now".

 

[eeyore1954]

It was never about jobs. It is about the far rights distinct hatred of civilized society and their bloodlust to end it utterly. They've deluded themselves into thinking that when everything collapses they can reform society with themselves as unquestioned tyrants.

Yes those who disgree with you are wicked bloodlusts.

 

[Skeptic]

A country isn't a household.

True, but the debt still has to be paid or else one faces serious consequences.

 

[Mike!]

It was never about jobs. It is about the far rights distinct hatred of civilized society and their bloodlust to end it utterly. They've deluded themselves into thinking that when everything collapses they can reform society with themselves as unquestioned tyrants.

Wake up Muttley, you're dreaming again...

 

[Skeptic]

It is about the far rights distinct hatred of civilized society and their bloodlust to end it utterly.

Ever noticed how bigoted and hate-filled some left-leaning folks are towards anybody to the right of Jimmy Carter (or Fidel Castro, for that matter)? Strange, considering how they pride themselves on their "inclusiveness" and "broad-mindedness" and "non-judgmentalism"...

It's really amazing, the white-hot hatred emenating from the left. From the right we get usually snarky "nyah nyah nyah" comments -- not actualy hate of the left. Those who hate the left as much as the leftists here hate the right are over in the conspiracy theory and holocaust denial parts of the forums.

 

[Ziggurat]

It was never about jobs. It is about the far rights distinct hatred of civilized society and their bloodlust to end it utterly. They've deluded themselves into thinking that when everything collapses they can reform society with themselves as unquestioned tyrants.

Um... that's the communist revolutionary playbook, not the conservative one.

But what exactly do you expect to accomplish with such an inflammatory accusation? Conservatives won't be chastened, they'll just think you're a jerk. Centrists will think you're overly excited, and should be kept away from sugar.

The only reason I can think of to write something so ridiculously partisan is to prove your membership in the clique of liberals who hate conservatives. But that would be just sad that you feel the need to belong so badly that you'd debase yourself in this manner. Although the possibility that you seriously believe it would be even sadder.

 

[mhaze]

The danger now is that we get another Ronald Reagan after this Jimmy Carter, and we can't afford to have another Ronald Reagan. I would say "ever", but especially "right now".

I have only one question, and only one comment, on your one consideration.

The comment:

You use the "we", which was the phrase used by Reagan. The "I" is all you ever hear from Carter II.

The Question:

Who is your "we"? Perhaps quite unlike the "we" as used by Reagan, your "we" is the majestic majority of one person, namely, yourself?

 

[RandFan]

I don't think that's what happened. Slick Willy co-opted the GOP platform and made it his own. For example, he was instrumental in ending "welfare as we know it", a distinctly republican platform plank.

Remember the endless blathering about "triangulation". That's not kicking butt.

Obama is an unmitigated disaster but pining for what never was won't help.

Taxes were higher and Clinton stood up to Newt when he shut down the govt. I never voted for Clinton. I hated him. I read "All Too Human" and "No One Left To Lie To". I've illusions about the man. Clinton earned the respect of Gingrich and many Republicans. I was a Limbaugh fan and even he had some deference for Clinton's politics.

I'll concede 3 points. 1.) The dynamics of the economy were very different. 2.) A president has limited control of the economy. 3.) I'd give Clinton or Obama a blow job to get those times back.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Is having a chief executive who is a willing compromiser and not a political strategist a bad thing?

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea of a president who does his job as if he is a political chessmaster.

I think Obama did just what he said he'd do, which is to try his best to engage his opposition in negotiations and compromise. The Tea Party Caucus did just what they said they'd do, which is to oppose Obama at every turn and refuse to engage in compromise.

I'd say it's up to the voters to decide which kind of government they want.

 

[Ziggurat]

Taxes were higher

And spending was dramatically lower.

Tell you what: we'll go back to Clinton's tax rates if we can also go back to Clinton's spending.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

And spending was dramatically lower.

Tell you what: we'll go back to Clinton's tax rates if we can also go back to Clinton's spending.

How about we go back to Clinton's spending when we attain Clinton's economic growth and unemployment rates?

 

[Skeptic]

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea of a president who does his job as if he is a political chessmaster.

I am uncomfortable with the idea of a POTUS who is NOT a political chessmaster. How would he not be taken for a ride by other, more devious leaders of other nations?

 

[Dayan81]

Obama is a serious disappointment. He strongly demands shared-sacrifice from all Americans and then turns around and caves into Republican demands for not one dime of extra revenue to help reduce the debt.

This is exactly what happened with the government shut-down, where Obama demanded that the Bush-era tax-cuts for the wealthy expire while keeping there for the Middle-class. The GOP made red-herring demands to cut the EPA & Planned Parenthood, and Obama considered it a victory to keep funding for these two programs while allowing the wealthy to keep their lower tax-rates. And now the GOP has done it again, by threatening to make Obama the first President to preside over a national debt-default, and he has caved again. In exchange for the debt-ceiling being extended through 2013 no tax-loopholes will be filled to increase FIT revenue.

Barack Obama is a very nice man who has great intentions, inspiring ideas & has approved some great legislation. But when it comes to the really important things he has failed the American people.

His health care-reform plan should have included a non-profit insurance alternative or coops.

He should have allowed the tax-cuts for the wealthy to expire.

He should have stayed with the Boehner plan last weekend that allowed for $800 billion in FIT revenue through closing tax-loopholes.

If Obama wins in 2012 it will surely not be due to enthusiasm over his style, strength & policies, but simply due to fear of the GOP candidate. Obama's only hope for re-election is a Tea-Party extremist being his opponent.

 

[Igopogo]

I think he did well. If he stood his ground, he would have either had to:

a) preside over a serious and unprecedented downgrading of the American financial position.

or b) pull an unprecedented end run and raise the debt ceiling himself, which would have made the right go ballistic.

He also pushed these shenanigans to after the election, and since crisis is averted, no one will remember any of this stuff in two weeks.

He's wrestling with pigs, and no one comes out smelling sweet after that.

 

[RandFan]

And spending was dramatically lower.

Tell you what: we'll go back to Clinton's tax rates if we can also go back to Clinton's spending.

Clinton: Dramatically lower spending.
Bush: Dramatically higher spending.
Solution: Hold the economy hostage as soon as a Democrat takes office. Nice.

Govt: Spend more money.
Solution: Reduce taxes because it's responsible to not pay for what you spend. Nice.

 

[RandFan]

Is having a chief executive who is a willing compromiser and not a political strategist a bad thing?

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the idea of a president who does his job as if he is a political chessmaster.

I think Obama did just what he said he'd do, which is to try his best to engage his opposition in negotiations and compromise. The Tea Party Caucus did just what they said they'd do, which is to oppose Obama at every turn and refuse to engage in compromise.

I'd say it's up to the voters to decide which kind of government they want.

Dems want more revenue to offset spending and are willing to cut spending.
Republicans are not willing to increase revenue, period.

 

[RandFan]

a) preside over a serious and unprecedented downgrading of the American financial position.

Republicans would NOT have done that. It would have been suicide. When they shut down the Govt. in 1994 they got their heads handed to them. The Chamber of Congress was screaming not to play Russian Roulette. However they had an ace up their sleeve. Obama caved twice before when they held a gun to the countries head. They knew he would fold.