Obama Derangement Syndrome

[Alareth]

Interesting tactic you chosen here leftysergeant, arguing against Obama Derangement Syndrome from a platform of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

You are making yourself look foolish.

And before you jump to conclusions about my political leanings, no, I didn't like Bush either.

 

[Brainster]

Are you suggesting that there are no judges in the country with more brains than that partisan hack Roberts?

Well, let's see, summa cum laude as an undergrad at Harvard, then managing editor of Harvard Law Review, with his JD magna cum laude.

I'm going to guess that he's got about as much brains as anybody.

 

[Cobalt]

Bush will always be the demon, even if something wasn't his fault.

 

[gdnp]

Hey, I'm not one of those who think that the Shrub was worth anything as POTUS.

How about increasing AIDS funding for Africa? wasn't that a Bush initiative?

 

[leftysergeant]

How about increasing AIDS funding for Africa? wasn't that a Bush initiative?

He screwed that up. He was dead set against teaching that condoms worked.

 

[leftysergeant]

Interesting tactic you chosen here leftysergeant, arguing against Obama Derangement Syndrome from a platform of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

There is nothing deranged about thinking that the Shrub failed as POTUS. Look what kind of ecconomy he left us.

 

[gdnp]

There is nothing deranged about thinking that the Shrub failed as POTUS. Look what kind of ecconomy he left us.

Rule 11 violation removed. This thread is for discussing Obama, not other presidents.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[Puppycow]

Baracknophobia-Obey
(Jon Stewart)

 

[Puppycow]

James Dobson is Demoralized and PZ Myers is Gloating

Dobson: "There is nothing you can do at this time about what is taking place because there is simply no limit to what the left can do at this time. Anything they want, they get and so we can't stop them.

We tried with [Health and Human Services Secretary] Kathleen Sebelius and sent thousands of phone calls and emails to the Senate and they didn't pay any attention to it because they don't have to. And so what you can do is pray, pray for this great nation... As I see it, there is no other answer. There's no other answer, short term."

Myers: "Oh, no…wait. They're going to start praying? Don't do that! When they've got the power of their almighty god behind them, they'll be unstoppable! Please, conservapublitards, don't do that. Don't spend all your time on your knees, praying. That would give you such an unfair advantage! Play fair!"

RNC Considers Resorting to a Policy of Namecalling

A member of the Republican National Committee told me Tuesday that when the RNC meets in an extraordinary special session next week, it will approve a resolution rebranding Democrats as the “Democrat Socialist Party.”

When I asked if such a resolution would force RNC Chairman Michael Steele to use that label when talking about Democrats in all his speeches and press releases, the RNC member replied: “Who cares?”

Which pretty much sums up the attitude some members of the RNC have toward their chairman these days.

Steele wrote a memo last month opposing the resolution. Steele said that while he believes Democrats “are indeed marching America toward European-style socialism,” he also said in a (rare) flash of insight that officially referring to them as the Democrat Socialist Party “will accomplish little than to give the media and our opponents the opportunity to mischaracterize Republicans.”

Yes. Calling the Democratic Party the "Democrat Socialist Party" will show the people that republicans are very mature and reasonable. It'll definitely win over the fencesitters.

ETA:

Steele didn’t want the special session to be held at all. The RNC will hold its regular summer meeting in July, and all matters could have waited until then. But the special session is being viewed by some in the party as a “comeuppance” for Steele and an implied criticism of his performance and behavior in his first 100 days in office.

Exercising a rarely used party rule that allows any 16 RNC members from 16 different states to demand a special meeting, conservatives in the party forced Steele’s hand, and now the special meeting will be tacked onto the end of a previously scheduled meeting of state party chairmen that will convene next week at National Harbor outside Washington.

A further comeuppance — a vote of “no confidence” in Steele — is not being contemplated, I am informed, because Steele’s opponents in the RNC have already won a major victory by forcing him to accept greater controls on how he spends party funds.

Also, the way the RNC is treating Steele sure does send the right messages to minorities!

 

[Bombastic Penguin]

Repeating a mistake, thinking it will work this time is deranged.

Cutting taxes for the rich does not improve the lot of the laid off workers. Never has, never will.

Very cogent statement. Taking capital away from the big and small business ownerst o bequeath to the incompetent bureaucratic bourgeoisie, really doesn't make a difference because you said so. Once again, critical thinking from a man named Lefty Sergent.

I never understood why your ilk think that the government has the right to coerce people to pay tax money. I'm very happy that they're siphoning the money toward the DEA, CIA, TSA, NSA etc.... but its a bit counter productive don't you think? Perhaps it's only right to tax rich people more. After all, the lumpen proletariat (parasites that even Karl Marx threw rocks at) need their "fair share".

FDR did to save capitalism from itself,

Henry Morgenthau disagrees with you. You know, I was a socialist once, and then I got my first job and paycheck.

 

[Skeptic]

Beck is deranged, no doubt about it. The rushblob is deranged. Michelle Malkin is deranged. Micheal Wiener is dreanged. The Coulter critter is deranged.

They disagree with leftysergeant.

There was nothing deranged about the criticisms heaped on the Shrub.

They agreed with leftysergeant.

You don't even need to be a psychiatrist to tell that, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Indeed so. Which is why in the USSR, deranged political criticism -- making fun of the dear leader the people love -- was often punished by incarceration in mental institutions.

There was no shadow of a doubt about those folks' insanity, either, after all. You didn't have to be a physician to realize they're insane. It was enough to have the correct left-wing beliefs to realize they must be crazy.

 

[Puppycow]

I never understood why your ilk think that the government has the right to coerce people to pay tax money.

You think that paying taxes should be voluntary?

 

[Upchurch]

I never understood why your ilk think that the government has the right to coerce people to pay tax money.

By "your ilk", I assume you mean adherents to the US Constitution, right? 'Cause that's what says the government has that particular right.

[Article I.] Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

(source)

 

[dudalb]

Sounds as if Bonbatstic Penguin is suffering from an overdose of Ayn Rand.

 

[Bombastic Penguin]

By "your ilk", I assume you mean adherents to the US Constitution, right? 'Cause that's what says the government has that particular right.

[Article I.] Section. 8. No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

Now give me your take on this:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855

Regardless, mandatory income taxation is nothing short of extortion. Not to mention that progressive income tax is the second plank of the Communist Manifesto, oh how reassuring.

Sounds as if Bonbatstic Penguin is suffering from an overdose of Ayn Rand.

I had thought I had left the Parasites of Moscow behind me. I thought I had left the Marxist Altruists to their collective farms and their 'Five Year Plans'. But as the German fools threw themselves on Hitler's sword for the good of the Reich, the Americans drank deeper and deeper of the Bolshevik poison, spoon fed to them by Roosevelt and his New Dealers. And so I asked myself, 'In what county was there a place for men like me? Men who refused to say yes to the parasites and the doubters? Men who believed that work was sacred and property rights inviolate?' And then one day the happy answer came to me, my friends. There was no country for people like me. And that was the moment I decided to build one!

So I ask you this: Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Maybe you missed this:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

(16th Amendment)

ETA: RE: WND link he was simply found to have accidently forgot, not merely forgot with intent.

 

[Upchurch]

[Article I.] Section. 8. No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

Now give me your take on this:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855

My first impression? World Net Daily, with it's charming home page headline (as of this writing) Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism, is an automatic Source Fail.

Even if we ignore the lack of source credibility, the article itself is too vague and lacking in citation to be of any use. What else do you have?

 

[dudalb]

[Article I.] Section. 8. No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

Now give me your take on this:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855

Regardless, mandatory income taxation is nothing short of extortion. Not to mention that progressive income tax is the second plank of the Communist Manifesto, oh how reassuring.





I had thought I had left the Parasites of Moscow behind me. I thought I had left the Marxist Altruists to their collective farms and their 'Five Year Plans'. But as the German fools threw themselves on Hitler's sword for the good of the Reich, the Americans drank deeper and deeper of the Bolshevik poison, spoon fed to them by Roosevelt and his New Dealers. And so I asked myself, 'In what county was there a place for men like me? Men who refused to say yes to the parasites and the doubters? Men who believed that work was sacred and property rights inviolate?' And then one day the happy answer came to me, my friends. There was no country for people like me. And that was the moment I decided to build one!

So I ask you this: Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

Looks as if I was on the money that this guy has leather bound copies of "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged", with the words of Howare Rorke and John Galt printed in red.

 

[Whiplash]

What's the relevance to his actual arguments? Why do we always see people get discredited personally around here? I mean no offense Dudalb, you seem more rational and level headed than most. But I don't see how pointing out what he believes has any bearing on the actual arguments he is making. I guess, in general, it bothers me that so many people first instinct when the disagree with someone seems to be to discredit them, personally, and therefore somehow discredit their position.

ETA: And no, I'm not saying I've never done such a thing, or may not do so in the future when I'm not thinking about it clearly. I identify it as a weakness we all share. I try to catch myself when I find myself doing it. I'm not perfect.

 

[Upchurch]

What's the relevance to his actual arguments? Why do we always see people get discredited personally around here? I mean no offense Dudalb, you seem more rational and level headed than most. But I don't see how pointing out what he believes has any bearing on the actual arguments he is making. I guess, in general, it bothers me that so many people first instinct when the disagree with someone seems to be to discredit them, personally, and therefore somehow discredit their position.

Okay, I don't even understand where the perceived insult is on this one. Pegging this guy as follower of Rand based on his word choice is discrediting him personally?

(You'll note that his actual argument has already been reasonably addressed (and discredited, imho).)