Obama Derangement Syndrome

[332nd]

And how is that an example of Obama Derangement Syndrome?

It's not, it's examples of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Bush Derangement Syndrome was coined by Charles Krauthammer who in my opinion misused his being a psychiatrist to label opponents of Bush as being clinically insane.

So doctors who use medical terminology for satirical pourposes are guilty of professional misconduct, gotcha.

 

[dudalb]

It's not, it's examples of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

I need a new term to describe people who become obssesed with semantics and another term for people who decided that somebody died and made then the almight king of what terms should and should not be used in these forums.

 

[INRM]

Sword Of Truth,

When it comes to a trained psychiatrist labling political opponents as insane, yes.

There is unfortunately a big difference in most people's eyes from mental disease than most other diseases. And Doctors are professionals, their opinions affect the minds of people in a way amateurs do not. After all, they are professionals.

Other countries in the past, such as the Soviet Union had in fact locked up some political dissidents in mental asylums as being insane because they opposed the Soviet Union.

It's a dangerous step

 

[Ziggurat]

When it comes to a trained psychiatrist labling political opponents as insane, yes.

How many people do you think seriously read the Krauthammer column as a clinical psychiatric diagnosis? I'm guessing close to zero. He may be a psychiatrist, but his column is political (explicitly so), and everyone knows it.

 

[Skeptic]

[*]Ann Coulter said so and subconscious animal instincts are inducing me to beliefe her so as to ingratiate myself with her in my mind so I can mate with her

Oh, come on. As insane as the "Obama is a secret Muslim Illuminati reptilian Zionist" crowd is, they aren't that insane.

 

[Texas]

Sword Of Truth,

When it comes to a trained psychiatrist labling political opponents as insane, yes.

There is unfortunately a big difference in most people's eyes from mental disease than most other diseases. And Doctors are professionals, their opinions affect the minds of people in a way amateurs do not. After all, they are professionals.

Other countries in the past, such as the Soviet Union had in fact locked up some political dissidents in mental asylums as being insane because they opposed the Soviet Union.

It's a dangerous step

Well it is nothing new:

http://mostlywater.org/an_analysis_of_our_friend_in_d_c

First and foremost, George W. Bush has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. What this means, mostly, is that he has rather desperate insecurities about himself, and

Just google "bush insane" and see.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

How many people do you think seriously read the Krauthammer column as a clinical psychiatric diagnosis?

If it's anywhere as direct as Post 12 in this thread, you can't back down later and say it was "figurative" or "satirical". It's called taking responsibility for your actions.

There's also the fact that there are real sufferers of mental illness out there who feel degraded, and rightfully so, by 'mental illness' being used as deregatory jargon. And as was said, "there is unfortunately a big difference in most people's eyes from mental disease than most other diseases."

Or to look at it another way: I don't brand people who run poorly as "asthma sufferers", and I'd be looked at strangely if I did. Yet if I called someone who did something strange as "mentally ill", then suddenly that would be perfectly OK.

Well it is nothing new:

Seeing he just pointed out the Soviets did it, I wonder why you feel the need to point this out.

 

[Ziggurat]

If it's anywhere as direct as Post 12 in this thread, you can't back down later and say it was "figurative" or "satirical". It's called taking responsibility for your actions.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

There's also the fact that there are real sufferers of mental illness out there who feel degraded, and rightfully so, by 'mental illness' being used as deregatory jargon.

And there are fat people who feel degraded by "fat" being used as derogatory jargon. And stupid people who feel degraded by "stupid" being used as derogatory jargon. And ugly people who feel degraded by "ugly" being used as derogatory jargon. People's feelings get hurt all the time. That's life. Avoiding using an insult because someone else, somewhere, might take offense is impractical. It's the kind of idea that gets drilled into kids precisely because adults frequently want kids to never insult anyone, but it's not going to happen.

Or to look at it another way: I don't brand people who run poorly as "asthma sufferers", and I'd be looked at strangely if I did.

That's because it's not an effective label, not even as an insult (because it's worse to run slow because you're just feeble).

Seeing he just pointed out the Soviets did it, I wonder why you feel the need to point this out.

When you quote someone, don't strip the tag that identifies who you quoted. You quoted me first, and then Texas, but there's no indication in your post that it's two different people.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Let me spell it out even clearer then:

You cannot say the BDS nonsense is figurative in the same thread as a user has described it in a very clinical, literal way, not at all giving the idea that it's "figurative".

Doesn't matter much anyway. Either they mean it, and are making complete fools of themselves, or they don't mean it, and just use arbitrarily chosen illnesses as insults. Either way their childishness is being detrimental to the debate.

And there are fat people who feel degraded by "fat" being used as derogatory jargon. And stupid people who feel degraded by "stupid" being used as derogatory jargon. And ugly people who feel degraded by "ugly" being used as derogatory jargon. People's feelings get hurt all the time. That's life. Avoiding using an insult because someone else, somewhere, might take offense is impractical. It's the kind of idea that gets drilled into kids precisely because adults frequently want kids to never insult anyone, but it's not going to happen.

Way to completely miss the point.

I'm not talking about obese people being called fat or ugly people being called ugly. I'm talking about perfectly sane people being called mentally ill as if it were some sort of insult.

That's because it's not an effective label, not even as an insult (because it's worse to run slow because you're just feeble).

Nothing wrong with being mentally ill, nothing wrong with having asthma. Neither should be an effective insult, but for some reason people have chosen a range of illnesses and decided that it'd be an idea to insult people by pretending they have one of these illnesses.

It's as if I looked down on people with dark skin because they got bad grades, and walked up to a Caucasian student who had flunked all his classes and said something like, "can't you study even get a single D? You're such a freaking Negro!".

Another example, people using 'gay' as a bad word.

 

[Ziggurat]

Let me spell it out even clearer then:

You cannot say the BDS nonsense is figurative in the same thread as a user has described it in a very clinical, literal way, not at all giving the idea that it's "figurative".

Why does someone else's position preclude me from taking a different position?

And I didn't say it's figurative, I said it's not clinical. Not the same thing.

Way to completely miss the point.

I'm not talking about obese people being called fat or ugly people being called ugly. I'm talking about perfectly sane people being called mentally ill as if it were some sort of insult.

I didn't miss the point at all. They aren't being called mentally ill "as if it were some sort of insult." They are being called mentally ill because it is an insult.

Nothing wrong with being mentally ill, nothing wrong with having asthma.

Yes there is. It may not be the fault of the person with that condition, but there most certainly is something wrong with it. Which is why those with mental illness (or asthma) frequently seek treatment. If there was nothing wrong with it, they wouldn't.

Neither should be an effective insult

How is that any different from claiming that "fat" and "stupid" shouldn't be effective insults? And regardless of your opinion on the matter, fat, stupid, and mentally ill are effective insults. Trying to change that, however enlightened your intentions, is like spitting into a hurricane. People are mean. Get used to it.

 

[shadron]

 

[Puppycow]

Some on the right have noticed this and are speaking out about it. Charles Johnson and David Horowitz.
(And, predictably, getting hate mail from the wingnuts about it). Johnson writes the Little Green Footballs blog, a right-wing blog, but one that is firmly on the side of reason and science instead of woo.

I have been watching an interesting phenomenon on the Right, which is beginning to cause me concern. I am referring to the over-the-top hysteria in response to the first months in office of our new president, which distinctly reminds me of the “Bush Is Hitler” crowd on the Left.

One one the worst cases of of ODS (among people with high media profiles) is Glen Beck.
Dude seems to be having a nervous breakdown.

 

[leftysergeant]

Beck is deranged, no doubt about it. The rushblob is deranged. Michelle Malkin is deranged. Micheal Wiener is dreanged. The Coulter critter is deranged.

You don't even need to be a psychiatrist to tell that, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

There was nothing deranged about the criticisms heaped on the Shrub. There is something deranged abnout the leaders of the effort to belittle Obama.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

To be fair, some criticisms heaped on the shrub were unfair, or weak and disingenuous. "War criminal"...

 

[Ziggurat]

There was nothing deranged about the criticisms heaped on the Shrub.

Really? There was absolutely no deranged criticism of Bush? Even the stuff about him having planned 9/11 wasn't deranged?

Yeah, um... wow.

 

[maxpower1227]

There was certainly a good amount of derangement around Bush. Strangely though, the Freepers seem to be under the impression that virtually ALL leftists, along with ALL of the "MSM", were afflicted with BDS.

 

[leftysergeant]

Okay, ther twoofers are deranged. What's new?

The criticisms of his policies, like tax cuts for the rich to solve the decline in manufacturing jobs when those were being offshored, the criticisms of his idiotic military strategies and such were spot on..

 

[Ziggurat]

Okay, ther twoofers are deranged. What's new?

The criticisms of his policies, like tax cuts for the rich to solve the decline in manufacturing jobs when those were being offshored, the criticisms of his idiotic military strategies and such were spot on..

Now perhaps you just aren't making yourself very clear, but the only standard which I see you using so far is that criticism which you agree with is not deranged, while criticism you do disagree with is deranged. If this is not the standard you're using, then there should be criticism which you don't agree with but which isn't deranged. But you don't seem to be allowing for that in criticism of Obama.

 

[leftysergeant]

Now perhaps you just aren't making yourself very clear, but the only standard which I see you using so far is that criticism which you agree with is not deranged, while criticism you do disagree with is deranged.

Repeating a mistake, thinking it will work this time is deranged.

Cutting taxes for the rich does not improve the lot of the laid off workers. Never has, never will.

Anyone who understands the strategic mistake Hitler made in invading Russia without securing England knows that the invasion of iraq was a brain dead idea in light of hisotry. Face it, the Shrub did nothing right, compassionate, or logical for eight years. There is nothing irrational about calling him a waste of skin.

But you don't seem to be allowing for that in criticism of Obama.

Obama is doing some of the same things that FDR did to save capitalism from itself, and the wingnuts are shrieking just like they did in the 1930 that civilization was going in the toilet as a result.

Criticism of a particular action is rational. Whining about how disasterous it is to have an activist president who does not kiss the perfumed butts of the investor class is irrational.

History was against the Shrub from the minute he took us to war.