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Merged Obama Birth Certificate Released

TruthMakesPeace said:
The first version had computer fonts not available on 1961 typewriters.
www.WhiteHouse.Gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf
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Not really all that surprising, considering it wasn't printed from electronic database information until 2007.

The recent version (why 2?) has suspicious layers.
www.WhiteHouse.Gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
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Nope, not suspicious at all. It's the result of an OCR scan used by the software when it made a smaller-sized PDF file.

Incidentally, the web page of the Hawaii Department of Health about Obama's vital records information has been updated with links to the whitehouse.gov page hosting the PDF file in question (as well as a PDF of the 2007 short form),

Apparently they're pretty convinced it's legit. And you'd think they'd be in a position to know if there was anything wrong with the documents displayed there.
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
The first version, released in 2007, had computer fonts not available on 1961 typewriters.
www.WhiteHouse.Gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf

The recent version (why 2?) has suspicious layers.
Zoom in enough and see the 1 at the end of "61 10641" magically disappear.
www.WhiteHouse.Gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Try it yourself, with Adobe Illustrator.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk&NR=1

Can we please have a truthful President in the White House?
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Much more of this idiocy, and the thread will get moved to the Conspiracy Theories trash heap.
 
ANTPogo said:
Not really all that surprising, considering it wasn't printed from electronic database information until 2007.
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...and that, needless to say, nobody ever claimed otherwise.

Deeply suspicious, don't you think? A document released in 2007 uses 2007 technology!

What is Obama hiding?
 
theprestige said:
Comedians aside, the evidence for racism is what, exactly?
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The point is that accusing Obama of being a "Kenyan" and thus ineligible for the presidency is an obvious morphing of the politically incorrect accusation that he is black and therefore ineligible for the presidency.

It's the same sort of morphing some people use when they blame (for instance) "foreign elements" when they mean "Mexicans", "zionists" when they mean "Jews", "extreme feminists" when they mean "women", "intelligent design" when they mean "creationism", etc.

You can tell by the fact that people simply take the old accusation or claim ("Jews control the world"; "The president cannot be Black, are you kidding?") and just replace the real meaning with the "code word" ("zionists control the world"; "The president cannot be a Kenyan, are you kidding?").
 
Dr. Keith said:
I wonder how long it will be until Fox can get the Forgers from 10% up to 15%.
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It was either Stewart or Colbert showed a clip of some Fox bozo claiming it was obviously Photoshopped because of the "border" of green cross-hatching. He was apparently to dim to notice that the green pattern covers the entire page.

Steve S
 
text recognition is a bitch.

the Birthers are so dumb, amazing.
 
theprestige said:
Comedians aside, the evidence for racism is what, exactly?
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I would say 90% of racist are birthers but 90% of birthers aren't necessarily racist. Racism and birtherism go hand in hand but certainly aren't mutually exclusive. I imagine partisan hackery is the other large driving force with conspiracy theorist (those who buy into any CT and frequent infowars or prison planet) bringing up the rear.
 
steve s said:
It was either Stewart or Colbert showed a clip of some Fox bozo claiming it was obviously Photoshopped because of the "border" of green cross-hatching. He was apparently to dim to notice that the green pattern covers the entire page.

Steve S
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It was John Stewart. Funny stuff.. :D
 
ANTPogo said:
Nope, not suspicious at all. It's the result of an OCR scan used by the software when it made a smaller-sized PDF file.
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OCR means turning text in image form into plain computer-readable text (which yields the smallest possible size, and best readability and flexibility.) That wasn't done with that PDF, otherwise you'd be able to select, copy and paste the text in it. It wouldn't really be feasible with this kind of image anyway, because the text is on top of the image (the green background pattern) and so you can't separate the two.

What this probably actually is, is some clever algorithm that guesses what sections of a scanned image are and separates them into "layers" to aid in later editing and/or so it can perform post processing and apply different compression algorithms to different parts of the scanned image to maximize the readability of the text while minimizing the file size.

Conspiracy theorists don't care though. Arguing with random nuts on the internet is a lost cause.
 
All this is very entertaining from a British point of view, but obviously a lot of people seem to be taking this seriously. :eek:
It looks to me if Obama's taken those who doubt his country of birth to the cliff's edge - then just given them a little nudge. :D
Occam's razor mean anything at all these days?
 
TruthMakesPeace said:
The first version, released in 2007, had computer fonts not available on 1961 typewriters.
www.WhiteHouse.Gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf

The recent version (why 2?) has suspicious layers.
Zoom in enough and see the 1 at the end of "61 10641" magically disappear.
www.WhiteHouse.Gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Try it yourself, with Adobe Illustrator.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk&NR=1

Can we please have a truthful President in the White House?
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I have already dealt with the whole Illustrator part of this over in Conspiracy Theories if you want to take a look at it. My birth certificate has many of the same issues come up when I scan it through Adobe Acrobat and enable OCR. It is simply the program translating text (or what it sees as possible text) into a clipping path. It happens automatically unless you specifically go into the program and tell it not to.

The suspicious 1 can actually happen with those settings too, and the computer printout that you mention in point one is a computer print out of information on file.

tim said:
Occam's razor mean anything at all these days?
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Oh how I wish it did. Sometimes I get annoyed with it when arguing things like type 1 parallel universes, but on things like this I really wish people would take it into consideration. Especially when I can both explain and then show a more plausible explanation. Unfortunately you find yourself in a paranormal conundrum in which all you can do is replicate the results and simply wish that people will understand the implications.
 
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theprestige said:
Comedians aside, the evidence for racism is what, exactly?
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There was the recent Birther monkey e-mail that some Republican politician (not a comedian) sent out.

There is the fact that no caucasian president or candidate was subject to anything like Birtherism.

There are numerous examples of racist/Birther signs seen at Tea Party rallies.

And as Alferd Packer said over on the thread that's on this very topic:

Alferd_Packer said:
Anyone that has spent any time interacting with birthers on the internet will know that racism is a major factor in birtherism.
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I would agree that no single line of evidence alone would be sufficient to accept the claim that racism is a big factor in the Birther movement, but considering all the evidence, I think it is sufficient.
 
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