Merged Obama Birth Certificate Released

[leftysergeant]

As long as there is a state seal notarizing that the document is an accurate reproduction o informative seen on the physical; orginall document, it could be done in Sharpie markers and still be authentic and admissible in court.

 

[Travis]

What does "remember it" have to do with anything ? Why should anyone care what YOU consider to be "some citizenship by deed" qualification ? (wold not be natural born anyway) Citing the Ossama assassination (which many on the left believe is illegal) isn't evidence of anything. US code 1401 title 8 controls citizenship question.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

The constitution requires the president be a natural born (not naturalized nor delcared) US citizen over 35? yo. According to US Code 1401 code - Obama may qualify on several counts, regardless of where he was born. For example if one of your parents is a USC who resided in the US for more than 5 years after age 14 - then you are a NBUSC, regardless of place of birth.

The president has no requirement by law to reveal his birth certificate. If someone brings a lawsuit in some question and shows credibility evidence that the Pres is not a USC - for example before the election - then the pres would have to defend himself. I suspect he can only be removed from office by a impeachment proceedings.

I don't think nations should even have something called a "natural born citizen." They should only have "citizens." Because I'd like to live in a country that doesn't have differing levels of "citizenship."

I know, how insane I am to want to live in a meritocracy.

 

[Arus808]

I don't think nations should even have something called a "natural born citizen." They should only have "citizens." Because I'd like to live in a country that doesn't have differing levels of "citizenship."

I know, how insane I am to want to live in a meritocracy.

we need the difference here, since to be POTUS, you have to have been born in America, vs someone (an immigrant) who came here and then earned citizenship through naturalization.

yes it's petty, but having "two" classes isn't a big concern for me. Its so that we know who was born here and who became a citizen after the fact.

 

[Kestrel]

I don't think nations should even have something called a "natural born citizen." They should only have "citizens." Because I'd like to live in a country that doesn't have differing levels of "citizenship."

I know, how insane I am to want to live in a meritocracy.

In theory, the US is a meritocracy. In practice, we bend over backwards to protect inherited wealth and power.

 

[A'isha]

Yeah, that there are two classes of citizens, natural born and naturalized (ie, those who weren't citizens at birth, but became citizens via the established naturalization procedure) is not in doubt.

The problem is that de Vattelist birthers try to claim there are more classes of citizens in addition to that. The most common one is that there is also a class of "native born citizens", people who were citizens at birth but who somehow don't meet the constitutional definition of "natural born citizen" (usually people who were born in the US, but had one or more noncitizen parents). The problem with this is that the courts, especially after the ratification of the 14th Amendment, have consistently ruled that there's no such distinction between "native born" and "natural born" (regardless of the citizenship status of the parents, as in the Wong Kim Ark case), and in cases like Perkin v Elg (1939), the decisions of Supreme Court judges have cited and agreed with statements like this one from that particular case:

Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States

Then, of course, there are crazies like Pam Geller, who invent classes of citizenship out of whole cloth, like her claim that illegitimate children (that is, children whose parents aren't legally married) don't count as natural born citizens under the constitution, and thus can never be eligible to become president.