Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[KDLarsen]

Regarding Orly and her supporters' outbursts at the election board hearing, I'm with Pat from Bad Fiction. She's smart enough to keep her tongue against people who can make her life difficult, ie. judges and other lawyers, but committees like this are absolute fair game for her real self.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

A little follow up on the brouhaha last Friday:

Others took up the cry, prompting Cook to declare "you people are out of order."

"You're out of order," Accornero shot back, turning on his heel, stepping toward the commission and shaking his finger. "We're out of order? We're trying to defend the U.S. Constitution and you're sitting these saying a treasonous liar, who doesn't even fit the description, goes on our ballot?" he exclaimed. "How dare you. You're going to face the American. . . . You're going to face the citizens of Laconia? You'd better wear a mask," he warned.

http://www.laconiadailysun.com/node/123953/18661

According to a memorandum from Assistant Attorney General Matt Mavrogeorge, who represented the Secretary of State's Office in the hearing, Reps. Henry Accornero, R-Laconia, and Susan DeLemus, R-Rochester, were yelling in his face and demanding answers.

He said he feared for his safety and that of Assistant Secretary of State Karen Ladd and went into an office where the doors could be locked.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111123/NEWS06/711239985

Apparently Accornero is a real piece of work. Last month he tried to get Obama tried for treason (how he would do that on the state level is not really clear).

 

[TjW]

Apparently Accornero is a real piece of work. Last month he tried to get Obama tried for treason (how he would do that on the state level is not really clear).

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

So does he have the two witnesses to the same overt act all lined up, d'you think?
Because I'm pretty sure Obama hasn't confessed in open court, or levied war against the U.S.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

here is his "case:"

October, 14 2011
Open letter to all Members of Congress,
I am formally asking you to bring a commission of treason against Mr. Barack Husain Obama.
We have a President who allows our borders to be violated by illegals of any country while we are at war. He allows them work permits, access to our services and when apprehended by law enforcement refuses to have them jailed or deported. Barack Husain Obama has crossed the line, and under Article III section 3 of our Constitution is guilty of treason by giving aid and comfort to the enemy and attempting to over throw our government from within. Now is the time for members of Congress to finally do your Constitutional duty and hold Barack Husain Obama accountable for his crimes against America. Mr. Obama is a fraudulent president who is selling out America. Its time Mr. Obama is called accountable for his treasonous actions. I can only hope our members of Congress have the intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done. It is time to make up your mind "Do you stand with this fraud and treasons president of with the American people and our Constitution which you swore to protect and defend"?
Thank you,
Harry Accornero
Representative, Laconia, NH

http://bluehampshire.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=2CB4C667F5B0ADD29CDB6A59613CB3A4?diaryId=13535


Apparently, State reps in NH only earn $100 a year. You get what you pay for.

 

[cwalner]

here is his "case:"



http://bluehampshire.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=2CB4C667F5B0ADD29CDB6A59613CB3A4?diaryId=13535


Apparently, State reps in NH only earn $100 a year. You get what you pay for.

Wow! Based on that, even in the best possible light (ie assuming all allegations are accurate) he is claiming that the administration failing to enforce immigration law is an act of treason on the part of the POTUS.

 

[NotJesus]

Apparently, State reps in NH only earn $100 a year. You get what you pay for.

In this instance -- no one to proofread your one-paragraph statement for spelling and grammatical errors, and spittle.

 

[tsig]

here is his "case:"



http://bluehampshire.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=2CB4C667F5B0ADD29CDB6A59613CB3A4?diaryId=13535


Apparently, State reps in NH only earn $100 a year. You get what you pay for.

How do you overthrow the government that you are president of and why would you want to?

Would Obama have to shoot himself in the final scene in order to rid the country from it's evil ruler?

 

[Alareth]

I'm always amused by birthers insisting that Obama isn't a citizen and accusing him of treason in the same breath since only citizens can be charged with treason.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Or'rly's response

“Posted on | November 22, 2011

Dr. Orly Taitz ESq
29839 Santa Margarita, ste 100
Rancho Santa Margarita CA 92688
949-683-5411 fax 949-766-7603

Attention
William Gardner
Secretary of State
State of New Hampshire

Demand for emergency rehearing of the Ballot Law Commission complaint/election denial of challenge to candidate Barack Obama filed by attorney Dr. Orly Taitz and joined by 9 NH State Representatives, presidential candidate, veterans and other citizens, due to fraud committed by the members of the Ballot Law committee, their attorney and assistant Secretary of State of New Hampshire during the Committee hearing.

Dear Mr. Gardner,

according to Rules and Procedures of the Supreme Court of New Hampshire, plaintiff, contesting decision of the administrative agency, needs to demand a rehearing by the agency prior to filing an appeal of its’ decision to the Supreme Court:

RULES OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE

PROCEDURAL RULES 1 TO 34

Rule 10. Appeal from Administrative Agency.

”To appeal to the supreme court from an administrative agency under RSA 541, the appealing party must have timely filed for a rehearing with the administrative agency. See RSA 541:4 and Appeal of White Mountains Education Association, 125 N.H. 771 (1984). The time period for the appeal does not begin to run until the administrative agency has acted upon the motion.”

Attorney Orly Taitz provided Ballot Law Commission with a 85 page complaint showing

Previously, on multiple occasions, both you and Ballot Law Commission, held substantive investigation into the background of the candidates and veracity of their statements and routinely removed from the ballot individuals, who are not eligible.(exhibit 1) As a matter of fact, a presidential candidate Sal Mohammad was removed from the ballot as ineligible during 2008 election season specificaly for not being a natural born citizen(Exhibit 2).

On November 18th, 2011, during the committee meeting, members of the committee and their attorney simply shameslessly lied and committed the most egregious fraud by claiming that they only check, whether the candidate filled the declaration correctly and paid $1,000. Mr. Gardner, you personally, and members of the committee and attorney of the committee are well aware of all of the mentioned precedents, and are well aware, that verification of the candidacy according to law does not have a narrow meaning of checking, if the form is filled out and the check is paid. It includes verification, whether the candidate is indeed a Natural Born citizen, and Mr. Obama is clearly not a natural born citizen. even if mr. Obama were to possess a valid US long form birth certificate and a valid Social Security number, which he doesn’t, he cannot be considered a natural born citizen, as per prior fuling of the Supreme court of the United States in minor v Happersett, natural born US citizen is one, who is born in the country to parents, who are citizens. Mr. Obama had foreign citizenship since birth, since his father, Barack Obama Sr. was a foreign national and according to British nationality act Mr. Obama was a British citizen from birth.

Additionally, in spite of multiple demands, Mr. Obama’s declaration of candidate filed in 2011, was not provided to the plaintiff, while his prior declaration does not contain necessary wording of a sworn declaration, as eligible according to Article 2, Section 1 of the US Constitution, which in itself is a cause for removal of the candidate from the ballot, if indeed such necessary wording is missing.

Due to egregious fraud committed by the attorney of the committee and 5 members, who were sited at the hearing on November 18th, there is sufficient ground for a rehearing.

Ballot law committee consists of 10 members. Due to fraud committed by 5 members, present at the meeting, plaintiffs are demanding a re-hearing with 5 other members, not the same 5 members, who were engaged in egregious fraud. Office of the Secretary of state is requested to not to allow at the rehearing the same attorney, who was maliciously misrepresenting the requirements in regards to eligibility of the candidate.

Just like Al Capone was finally convicted when a corrupted jury was replaced, the state of NH and the US will have legitimate elections as corrupted members of the committee and their attorney are replaced.

Wherefore plaintiff is requesting:

1. Secretary of State Gardner to reconsider his decision and remove candidate Barack Obama from the 2012 elections ballot due to the fact, that Obama is not a natural born US citizen.

2. If Secretary of State Gardner refuses to remove Obama from the ballot, plaintiff is requesting a rehearing with a new Ballot Law commission, with remaining 5 commission members, who were not sited during the November 18, 2011 hearing, due to the fact that 5 committee members, who were sited during the November 18 hearing engaged in egregious fraud.

3. Due to the fact, that three of the committee members are reported to be licensed attorneys, plaintiff is requesting the Secretary of state sue sponte to report them and their attorney to the New Hampshire bar for a disciplinary hearing due to fraud committed by officers of the court.

4. Plaintiff is requesting Secretary of State to report to the Merrimack county District Attorney and Grand Jury 5 members of the Ballot Law Commission: Mr. Cook, Ms. Van Oot, Mr. French, Ms. Clemmons and Ms. Moran, as well as their attorney and assistant Secretary of State Ms. Ladd for fraud committed during November 18, 2011 hearing, as well as for misprision of felonies and aiding and abetting felonies committed by candidate Obama, as well as for possible treason against the state of Hew Hampshire and the United States of America.

/s/ Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ

11.22.2011"

 

[Arus808]

OOOH < development in Orly's dead case in hawaii (Taitz v Fuddy) in Hawaii circuit court

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73601243/...-FOR-REHEARING-MOTION-TO-STAY-FINAL-ORDER-PEN


Hawaii is seeking Attorney's fees against Orly for filing Frivolous lawsuits...the above response from hawaii is highly entertaining.

 

[TjW]

Wow! Based on that, even in the best possible light (ie assuming all allegations are accurate) he is claiming that the administration failing to enforce immigration law is an act of treason on the part of the POTUS.

He's complaining about the administration allowing work permits. A work permit is evidence of enforcing immigration laws.
Apparently it doesn't matter that the laws are enforced, if what the law allows happens to allow something with which he disagrees.

 

[cwalner]

He's complaining about the administration allowing work permits. A work permit is evidence of enforcing immigration laws.
Apparently it doesn't matter that the laws are enforced, if what the law allows happens to allow something with which he disagrees.

I did not catch that. he did complain that the president allows illegals work permits. You are right in that allowing them a work permit does, in fact, make them legal immigrants. I was focusing on the refusal to jail and deport illegals.

 

[Robrob]

I'm always amused by birthers insisting that Obama isn't a citizen and accusing him of treason in the same breath since only citizens can be charged with treason.

Typical self contradictory CT thought process.

How do you overthrow the government that you are president of and why would you want to?

Would Obama have to shoot himself in the final scene in order to rid the country from it's evil ruler?

See above...

 

[tsig]

Typical self contradictory CT thought process.



See above...

We both use the same facts we just have different world views.

ETA: Well sometimes we have to trim the facts

 

[Alferd_Packer]

You know, reading about Orly's latest folly in NH trying to get Obama pulled off the ballot, I am totally amazed that the birthers haven't figured out the only real and legal way to challenge Obama's eligibility. How come no birthers have tried to run for an electoral college seat.

Granted, you have to get the state party to go along with it, but surely somewhere there is an idiot. . . .

 

[Sabrina]

So what ever happened to "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"?

The Statue of Liberty has no meaning for this guy, I take it?

 

[cwalner]

I got thinking on the whole birther issue this weekend and it brought up a question, I am hoping people here could help me with. When the US was founded slavery was legal and children of slaves were also slaves. Were slaves considered US citizens (but not granted what we now consider rights of citizenship) or was the wording making anybody born in the US a citizen added to the constitution added in an amendment (14th would seem most likely if this is the case)?

 

[Chaos]

So what ever happened to "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"?

The Statue of Liberty has no meaning for this guy, I take it?

You´ll notice, I´m sure, that the Statue of Liberty depicts a white woman...

 

[A'isha]

I got thinking on the whole birther issue this weekend and it brought up a question, I am hoping people here could help me with. When the US was founded slavery was legal and children of slaves were also slaves. Were slaves considered US citizens (but not granted what we now consider rights of citizenship) or was the wording making anybody born in the US a citizen added to the constitution added in an amendment (14th would seem most likely if this is the case)?

In Dred Scott, the Supreme Court ruled that neither slaves nor the freed descendants of slaves were citizens of the United States under the Constitution. They could be citizens of states, if the state in question so permitted, but they were not US citizens.

The 14th Amendment changed that, so that anyone born in the US, regardless of their parentage, would be a citizen of the United States (the 13th Amendment abolished slavery).

 

[TSR]

You´ll notice, I´m sure, that the Statue of Liberty depicts a white woman...

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Nah, she's a Jooo, and Saggs will tell you the nose job was a despicable, you know, Labou-lie...

CM, OTOH, will swear that copper would never allow itself to be beaten that way, and DZ will go on for post after post claiming that everyone agrees with zie that a single statue could not possibly enlighten the whole world.
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