Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Sabrina]

I could do that with no problem. I bought it so I could wear it in public anyway. Now granted, I'm unable to wear it when on duty because it's not a part of the uniform regulations, but I go on base all the time when off duty, and I can certainly wear it then.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Corsi's not giving up that easily.

now he's claiming thathere is a "smiley face" in the registrar's signature.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105250016

 

[IMST]

Corsi's not giving up that easily.

now he's claiming thathere is a "smiley face" in the registrar's signature.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105250016

...and?






I mean, I read the article and I still don't in any way understand what his point is. It looks like particularly bad pareidolia in a minor stray mark. And I actually saw a top down view of a face sticking a tongue out until it explicitly explained how to view the smile. (I saw the "nose" as the tongue)

 

[NotJesus]

It looks like Jesus.

 

[Swagomatic]

It looks like Jesus.

I'm thinking it's a little Ben Franklinish (without glasses, of course).

 

[Mr.D]

...and?

Didn't you know? All official forgeries are required to have an enigmatic smiley in them somewhere so that they're obvious forgeries.




ETA:

Oh no! Apparently this post is a forgery!

 

[TheRedWorm]

If you look at it sideways, it looks like a flowerless, depressed sunflower wearing a hat.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Corsi's not giving up that easily.

now he's claiming thathere is a "smiley face" in the registrar's signature.

We've got an uberbirther on another forum I frequent and he's been using that image as his avatar for a week or so. Probably because he thinks it's another smoking gun just like Uk L Lee's signature.

 

[dc1971]

Corsi's not giving up that easily.

now he's claiming thathere is a "smiley face" in the registrar's signature.

So does this mean that I can extend yet another finger on ONE hand to show how many times Media Matters has mentioned Alex Jones?

 

[Arus808]

And Trump shlls for WND, claiming that the cOLB is forged.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Sheesh, Trump is just embarasing himself.

 

[Arus808]

Sheesh, Trump is just embarasing himself.

I'm not going to link to the WND article, but it was a call that Corsi had with Trump (so it's only Corsi's word on what Trump actually stated).

Trump's claim boils down to this: His expert determined that the PDF was created by a computer.

There is a long "analysis" by a "forensic expert who has testified in court about documents" of how PDF's do not contain layers (apparently she's never scanned documents before). Of course "she" is wrong.

http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/428-After-Birth.html

The people who think that a segmented image equates to tampering clearly do not know how PDF documents work. The simplest segmentation happens when an alpha channel is used for image transparency. While many of the image formats stored in a PDF file support alpha channels, this isn’t how they are usually rendered. Instead, the PDF usually contains two images: one is the image without an alpha channel, and the other is a bitmask containing the alpha channel.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.

But the kicker: That's how Corsi comes to the conclusion that Trump says that the recently released COLB was forged.



Yeah. figure that one out.

 

[TraneWreck]

I'm having trouble deciding whether I should say the attempt by Trump to ressurect this dead issue is like the mad preacher telling everyone he got the date wrong and the rapture is really happening in October, or vice versa.

Usually you analogize to the dumber event in order to properly discredit, but it's impossible to decide which is worse.

 

[cwalner]

Trump's claim boils down to this: His expert determined that the PDF was created by a computer.

Oh my.

Does he also believe that hamburger buns are not real bread because an expert determined that they were created in a Bakery?

 

[CptColumbo]

I'm having trouble deciding whether I should say the attempt by Trump to ressurect this dead issue is like the mad preacher telling everyone he got the date wrong and the rapture is really happening in October, or vice versa.

Usually you analogize to the dumber event in order to properly discredit, but it's impossible to decide which is worse.

When life gives you lemons, just keep making [rule 10] up.

 

[Swagomatic]

New update from Mother Jones: Corsi got it wrong

 

[Arus808]

Oh my.

Does he also believe that hamburger buns are not real bread because an expert determined that they were created in a Bakery?

remember, this is what Corsi claimed Trump stated.

but it seems that Corsi lied about what Trump said:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/dona...amas-birth-certificate-is-computer-generated/

UPDATE: Well, it looks like I should have gone with my gut and been more suspicious of the lack of direct quotes in the WND post. Trump sent us a response that is printed in full below:

“I am proud of the fact that I was able to get President Obama to release his birth certificate. President Clinton couldn’t do it, Senator Mc Cain couldn’t do it—no one else could do it! Frankly, many people were surprised that it took so long for this to happen. Is his birth certificate legitimate? I hope it is for the good of the country, but that’s for experts to determine—not me. I have not read the book written by Jerry Corsi nor did we discuss whether or not the birth certificate was computer generated or in any way fabricated. I merely asked him how his book was doing and wished him good luck.”

Really, did Corsi not think that Trump would find out that he misrepresented Trump's conversation with him?

 

[cwalner]

I am proud of the fact that I was able to get President Obama to release his birth certificate. President Clinton couldn’t do it, Senator Mc Cain couldn’t do it—no one else could do it!

Ok, so he is just the same arrogant self-aggrandizing asshat that we have known for so many years.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

When life gives you lemons [...]

 

[Worm]

He's proud of the fact that he diverted the time of (arguably) the most powerful leader in the modern world away from, you know, important stuff, to look at ancient irrelevant documentation.

Yeah, good work fella.