Merged Now What?

[kevsta]

My view too, I was short until yesterday (not because I wanted Brexit, I did not)

nice.

I was too, prior to the assassination reversal which took me out at zero again. I had originally planned to be closing the short on voting day and going long again as Remain cruised home, but after the hiccup decided to abandon that plan and just stand aside.

 

[kevsta]

No I'm not saying anything other than answering your question by explaining what I believe was meant by the comment. And it's becoming increasingly annoying when people attribute to me arguments I haven't made.

lol, chill bro. I was only trying to ensure I understood correctly, not attribute anything anywhere.

 

[Lothian]

Do I find you becoming more racist or xenophobic as you age?

I would not say a strong yes, no.

Oh sod off you kiwi *********

 

[Francesca R]

Oh sod pff you kiwi *********

Such girlieness. . . . Chill, sis.

 

[kevsta]

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it begins http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rce-second-vote-poll-government-a7102486.html

Brexit petition: More than a million people demand change to EU referendum rules to force second vote

Supporters want a rule to re-run votes with a majority under 60% and turnout under 75%

so not only another vote, but this time adjust the maths so that a Status-Quo win is assured given the actual number counts last time.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

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it begins http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rce-second-vote-poll-government-a7102486.html



so not only another vote, but this time adjust the maths so that a Status-Quo win is assured given the actual number counts last time.

Online petitions aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

 

[Lothian]

Such girlieness. . . . Chill, sis.

Do you find you resort to more sexist stereotyping as you age?

 

[Darat]

Is anyone entirely clear *how* we exercise article 50? Was it even in Cameron's power to do so immediately? Was it discussed or even considered before the referendum?

If it wasn't in his power then that suggests that either the vote is a de facto exercise of the article or that it requires the assent of parliament. The latter could be amusing when MPs line up to vote

If it is in the PMs power, and his/hers alone, but he failed to exercise it then presumably we have to wait for a new PM. And Cameron is additionally twattish for not doing his job before resigning.

edit: If the vote was constitutional and binding I'm going for the de fact option.

Queen's prerogative so he doesn't need a vote in parliament.

 

[crescent]

This is manifestly untrue; I refer your attention to the referendum we're currently discussing.


However it's not in the best interests of the EU.


Exactly. And the EU is in the dominant position.


Possible but unlikely in the extreme. I could see a petition for a second referendum based on the gross ignorance of the voters and the lies spread by the Leave advocates.
On that note I see Farage has disowned his £350M for the NHS pledge...

I have read yesterday that such a petition was running and had already gathered 130000 signatures, but I don't know to which extend this is true and, if true, whether this could have a real incidence on the whole Brexit process.

Not sure one could find a UK government willing to start a new referendum process...

The petition is currently at 1.8 million votes

Here is my wildly optimistic predictions that is going to look embarrassingly naive in a minute never mind a month or a years time.

The economic outlook for the UK starts to look bleaker and bleaker as time goes on.
The Tories Struggle to find a new leader. No one wants to be leading the country to the next general election only to be embarrassingly booted out by the electorate.

UKIP disappears as any force when it becomes apparent that they don't agree on anything other than leaving Europe.

Boris is forced, against his better judgement, to take the PM job.

He decides that the "totally unexpected international reaction" to Brexit has caused him to revise his view on the best way forward and these exceptional circumstances require another referendum.

The UK votes to stay in.

This seems possible to me.

Online petitions aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

In this case, the petition at least obligates the Prime Minister to "respond" and Parliament "consider the issue for debate". That is, the petition is being done through a process set up by the parliament, on a webpage managed by the parliament. Obviously, the Prime Minister can "respond" the petition and then just continue to implement Brexit, and the Parliament can consider the issue for debate and then decide not to debate it after all.

Still, it is a bit more than just another on-line petition on some random website.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Still, it is a bit more than just another on-line petition on some random website.

It carries more or less the same weight though. There's a million of these things go around all the time. Most 'debates' if they ever happen involve one man and his dog. There will certainly be no vote on legislation. It's a crumb of comfort but it will have zero impact on future policy.

 

[Lothian]

It carries more or less the same weight though. There's a million of these things go around all the time. Most 'debates' if they ever happen involve one man and his dog. There will certainly be no vote on legislation. It's a crumb of comfort but it will have zero impact on future policy.

It is badly worded and thought out. Legislation is rarely retrospective. If this was brought in it would prevent a rejoin vote unless the targets are met. That said I guess it is more just an expression of regret.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

It is badly worded and thought out. Legislation is rarely retrospective. If this was brought in it would prevent a rejoin vote unless the targets are met. That said I guess it is more just an expression of regret.

Not even that unless we can be sure that a significant proportion of those who signed were Leavers who now regret it.

A futile expression of unhappiness and frustration with the result from Remainers is probably more likely. We saw a lot of it post Indy-ref too. Understandable, but as you say, you can't unscramble the Brexit eggs at this stage.

 

[crescent]

There's a million of these things go around all the time. \

How many of the petitions get a million votes a day?

Parliament now has an "in" to debate the issue, and I am guessing they will. There is a lot of work involved with implementing the Brexit, and stalling the initiation of that work through debate may be enough to kill it. It is a tried and true tactic in most any democracy.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

How many of the petitions get a million votes a day?

Parliament now has an "in" to debate the issue, and I am guessing they will. There is a lot of work involved with implementing the Brexit, and stalling the initiation of that work through debate may be enough to kill it. It is a tried and true tactic in most any democracy.

How many votes it gets matters not a jot. The vote was taken on Thursday. Somehow pretending that an e-petition can trump it a few days later is fantasy.

There is no way to stall this if the PM wants to implement it. Any view other than that is clutching at straws.

 

[Lothian]

Not even that unless we can be sure that a significant proportion of those who signed were Leavers who now regret it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all the signatories were leavers. I would expect 99%+ voted remain but they regret the choice that the country made.

 

[MikeG]

Wishful thinking. Perhaps you could point to a precedent for the UK parliament ignoring a referendum result? There isn't the slightest doubt that we are on an irreversible journey out of the EU.

 

[Childlike Empress]

EU parliament leader: we want Britain out as soon as possible

SPIEGEL reported Schulz was "white with anger" and crushed his fist on the table when he heard Cameron wants to wait until October with his resignation. "Scandalous", he said. Immediate it must be. The big wigs want his piggy head now.

 

[Fudbucker]

Sorry but if they voted for Leave they are racists. I am very comfortable calling everyone that voted that way a racist. And racism should be punished.

From the articles I read, this smarmy condescension of Leave voters was one of the reason Leave did so well.

 

[Francesca R]

SPIEGEL reported Schulz was "white with anger" and crushed his fist on the table

He should keep his hair on. So should the big wigs.

 

[Fudbucker]

UK Credit Rating downgraded to Negative

The UK has had its credit rating outlook downgraded to "negative" by the ratings agency Moody's after the country voted to leave the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36626201

You guys are still rated Aa1, although that may change. Moody's changed their outlook for the UK (from stable to negative).