Merged Now What?

[Childlike Empress]

My German isn't good enough to understand it and switching the site to English plus a search on Schulz doesn't get me to the same article. Any chance you could link to the English version? Cheers!

There is no English version, sorry, the article is only an hour old and his statement is news. SPIEGEL tends to make summary articles of important developments in English, but rarely one on one translations. They had a very long lead article in their (most important German weekly) print magazine last week, though, which they also printed in English, begging you to stay, and have been very invested on the "stay" side in general, as you can see on their "international" page. And they're pissed as well now.

edit: Cover

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Doesn't seem silly that it can't be forced by the EU. A domestic referendum result, whatever it is about, should no way give the EU legal force to kick out the UK.

(Well, unless the referendum was about declaring war on Belgium or something)

It does to me. 'I'm not telling you' isn't a helpful position and while I agree that two days after the vote would be silly there would also come a point where lack of clarity was negatively impacting the EU and equally silly that the UK would have a say on future EU legislation it had no intention of being bound by.

 

[Lothian]

Doesn't seem silly that it can't be forced by the EU. A domestic referendum result, whatever it is about, should no way give the EU legal force to kick out the UK.

(Well, unless the referendum was about declaring war on Belgium or something)

The EU is a body set up to protect the interests of its members. I don't see why they couldn't decide to kick out a member whose actions damages the union. I have no doubt we would be pushing to get rid in similar circumstances.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Yep. And I see that the agreement to stop wannabe immigrants to Britain at Calais is part of the Le Touquet treaty, allowing Brit border guards to work within France.

Whoops. The treaty is, of course, re-negotiable.

So many unforeseen consequences. What a monumental ***************.

I don't think the Brexiters have fully appreciated the scale of the task ahead of us. This could seriously bog down Parliament for years and mean we can't get ahead in addressing the real concerns of the country.

Unpicking every stitch of EU legislation in UK law is not going to be a simple task

 

[cullennz]

I don't think the Brexiters have fully appreciated the scale of the task ahead of us. This could seriously bog down Parliament for years and mean we can't get ahead in addressing the real concerns of the country.

Unpicking every stitch of EU legislation in UK law is not going to be a simple task

Better get started then

 

[ceptimus]

The Le Touquet treaty is not an EU thing - it's a bilateral treaty between the UK and France.

Of course, that doesn't mean that if France is angry with the UK over Brexit they can't use treaty renegotiation, or the threat of it, as a way of striking back.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Better get started then

Think we need a government first really as the one we have will be tied up in a leadership battle for the next 3 months.

 

[Ambrosia]

All we are doing is slamming the doors shut sifter you.

Klimax we haven't even left yet. We are a fully paid up EU member state, with all of the obligations and privileges that come with that, up until we invoke article 50 and formally declare an intent to leave the EU.

At this point it's highly likely that we will invoke A50 ~ October, but until that happens EU leaders can rant and rave all they like, but they cannot force us out.

It remains possible, if say the "round 2" petition gets enough traction, (like about another 16million signatures) that there will yet be another referendum.

It's also possible that a new PM will call a snap election with EU membership being the main issue.

Both of these scenarios are highly unlikely, but they remain a possibility.

Our referendum was won by a narrow majority, it's not legally binding, our country is split ~50/50 our PM has resigned, and our economy is, lets say "volatile". We need to get a handle on a few things here before we go ahead with formally invoking article 50.

One thing that is certain from all of this fall out is that our world is much more interconnected than we think. What effects one country has a knock on effect on others. So taking rash decisions is not in anyones interest.

Slamming doors, making examples, are emotional heat of the moment responses, and right now we need calm measured decisions.

Nobody is interested in idiotic nonsensical similes.

Exactly.

 

[cullennz]

Think we need a government first really as the one we have will be tied up in a leadership battle for the next 3 months.

You probably know but

Apparently there is a petition with over a million sigs demanding it be debated in parliament and not ratified

 

[Ambrosia]

people already pay well over the odds compared to a similar car from say Ford or Vauxhall. Another few grand on the price will make sod all difference to their sales, may even make them more of a status symbol.

Germany doesn't only produce luxury cars. A few grand on the price won't effect luxury sales all that much, but VW aren't going to shift nearly as many of their more budget cars in such a scenario.

It's also just an example. We import a LOT of stuff from the EU. If the price of all of that goes up a bunch then we'll buy less of it, and everyones economy will suffer. Tit for Tat tariffs don't help anyone.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

You probably know but

Apparently there is a petition with over a million sigs demanding it be debated in parliament and not ratified

Discussed elsewhere. Electronic toilet paper and will have zero impact.

This is the denial stage of grieving. I believe anger is next. Hope the police are getting ready.

 

[cullennz]

Discussed elsewhere. Electronic toilet paper and will have zero impact.

This is the denial stage of grieving. I believe anger is next. Hope the police are getting ready.

Can't see it being that bad...mind you. No one anticipated Thatcher

 

[Lothian]

The Le Touquet treaty is not an EU thing - it's a bilateral treaty between the UK and France.

Of course, that doesn't mean that if France is angry with the UK over Brexit they can't use treaty renegotiation, or the threat of it, as a way of striking back.

I think the mayor of Calais is keen on allowing the British to take back the control of their borders. My choice would be to move the jungle to Boston in Lincolnshire. I recall they were the keenest to be in charge of that kind of thing.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Germany doesn't only produce luxury cars. A few grand on the price won't effect luxury sales all that much, but VW aren't going to shift nearly as many of their more budget cars in such a scenario.

It's also just an example. We import a LOT of stuff from the EU. If the price of all of that goes up a bunch then we'll buy less of it, and everyones economy will suffer. Tit for Tat tariffs don't help anyone.

As Thursday's vote shows sometimes politics doesn't follow 'what's best for everyone' logic.

We already had tariff free trade with Europe and people threw it away so it obviously wasn't all that important to them.

As has been repeated many times the idea that Romania will vote to benefit the UK and German car industry unless they get something important for themselves is a non-starter. So we end up in a horse trading scenario where everyone get's their little bit of sweetener and the UK have to concede something here and there. And that's what the damn EU was the outcome of years of doing!

If you want to trade with Europe join the damn EU!

 

[cullennz]

Four letters. Late jump into the TPPA.

They yanks will let you. Ignore the sea reference

 

[cullennz]

I think the finance side of thing is just shock.

It will bounce back and trade will still happen

 

[ceptimus]

I think the finance side of thing is just shock.

It will bounce back and trade will still happen

A lot of clever (and greedy) banks and stock market traders have made fortunes by riding the volatility of currency and share markets.

The wealth they accrue doing these things has to come from somewhere - no doubt from the pockets of ordinary non-rich people, as usual.

 

[cullennz]

A lot of clever (and greedy) banks and stock market traders have made fortunes by riding the volatility of currency and share markets.

The wealth they accrue doing these things has to come from somewhere - no doubt from the pockets of ordinary non-rich people, as usual.

Totally agree

 

[Craig B]

I think the mayor of Calais is keen on allowing the British to take back the control of their borders. My choice would be to move the jungle to Boston in Lincolnshire. I recall they were the keenest to be in charge of that kind of thing.

The British were never in control of the borders of Calais. Interestingly, the town was represented by MPs in the then English Parliament.

 

[cullennz]

In an ideal world all parties would get together and pick a leader to go with who isn't a showman (Boris). And one who is boring but brilliant at negotiation.

Won't happen though