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NORAD Tapes

Spins said:
What so if people misrepresent a person or take their quotes out of context you don't think this is a reason why conspiracy theories spread on the Internet? I can give you a classic example with regards to 9/11 conspiracy theories, Silverstein and "Pull It".
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Somewhat ironic. Sort it out, Spins!
 
Swing Dangler said:
Tam, what kind of conjecture can you take from 93 exploding and going down east of Camp David??
I'm curious to know how you can spin this into it not exploding and going down. On the other hand, I thought 93 went down in Shanksville?;)
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I'm a little confused by you here, swing. Are you saying that Shanksville isn't northeast of Camp David?
 
stanleywinthrop said:
I'm a little confused by you here, swing. Are you saying that Shanksville isn't northeast of Camp David?
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SwingDangler has repeatedly, on this thread, referred to "east of Camp David," while the original message from which he got this refers to "north east."

Last I checked those were separate points of the compass, but heck, what do I know?

Bye.
 
SDC said:
SwingDangler has repeatedly, on this thread, referred to "east of Camp David," while the original message from which he got this refers to "north east."

Last I checked those were separate points of the compass, but heck, what do I know?

Bye.
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Wrong, it wasn't repeatedly, it was once. And for you, I will edit that comment.
 
SDC said:
SwingDangler has repeatedly, on this thread, referred to "east of Camp David," while the original message from which he got this refers to "north east." Last I checked those were separate points of the compass, but heck, what do I know?
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I think that’s the fourth time so far that he’s deliberately misquoted or misinterpreted parts of the recordings.
 
Shanksville is ENE of Camp David.

Not particularly close to Camp David, but not that far either, at jet speeds.

So, how plausible is it that military personnel, dealing with an event that included an attack on Washington DC, would use Camp David as the nearest reference point to Shanksville, as opposed to say Pittsburgh that was a bit closer but in the opposite direction from where the plane was heading? Seems pretty plausible to me. There's not much else of strategic interest in between.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
this is crap, now LC and all the idiot truthers will be making up more stuff

Swing Dangler said:
Anyone have any interpretation of this quote:



If American 11 is the original, then who is N334AA? If the original guy is still airborne, who is not airborne?
Are they discussing two different planes? If
If so that could make things interesting....
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Actually, it means the dolts from LC will continue to make up stuff with this new source of junk. With out the ability to think rationally, logically, or with informed knowledge and judgment we will see posts like yours with veiled attempt to twist 9/11 some more. Join, them rejoice with them as they show the whole world how a few idiots have drifted off into the world of stupid.

So far I have read statements that mean nothing. When the young idiots start making up conclusion, or implying conclusions, we will see why young adults die from accidents more than any other group of humans. They do not have experience, they lack knowledge and they fail to exercise proper judgment.

As LC takes us back to the confused world of 9/11, we will see posts like yours stating stupid stuff that can only make sense after the even is sorted out. I now watch as you reverse 9/11 and try to undo history with LC. Incredibly dumb stuff will be posted by LC, and this is now a good indicator of the lack of rational thought and logic in truthers. Your post shows the lack of knowledge and experience as you go back and try to raise questions in reverse. As you fail to recognize how much confusion there is on 9/11 and how many wrong things were said, and now repeated by you with out even doing a grain or research. Please do not ask dumb questions. Try to answer your own questions and if you must go through the bs of confusion do so with some judgment and research.

RESEARCH! N334AA IS THE TAIL NUMBER SO THE FIGHTER PILOTS CAN SHOOT DOWN THE RIGHT PLANE AFTER THEY SEE THE IDIOT TERRORIST IN THE COCKPIT! What do you think the plane has on it, Flight 11? If this is your best research effort you should go home and hang it up.

RESEARCH IS THE KEY, ASKING DUMB QUESTION IS A RED FLAG OF STUPID AND IS ONLY USED BY TRUTHERS TO HIDE THEIR INABILITY TO RESEARCH AND USE LOGICAL, RATIONAL THINKING BASED ON FACTS.
 
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Swing Dangler said:
Not at all. I've read Collin Powell's account of a crash north east of Camp David. I chalked up as a mix up, error, or phantom flight but the NORAD tapes appear to confirm his statements. I'm also trying to reason how this confirmation of Powell's account matches with the Shanksville crash scenario.
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not necessarily, what id powell source for hearing of a crash north east of camp david? if he heard it from NORAD this cant be considered confirmation because its the same source

this is another way conpiracy theories spread, people claiming a story is confirmed without checking that the sources are in fact independent, same thing happened with the f93 landing in cleveland thing, truthers cite 3-4 newspapers reporting a different time than delta 1989 and claiming confirmation that something landed there, closer inspection reveals all 4 newspapers were simply reprinting the same AP story
 
i bet the white jet said explosion, looks like he exploded (crashed into ground)

Swing Dangler said:
Tam, what kind of conjecture can you take from 93 exploding and going down north east of Camp David??
I'm curious to know how you can spin this into it not exploding and going down. On the other hand, I thought 93 went down in Shanksville?;)
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Since the whole plane is in the ground, the white plane asked by ATC to look for 93, saw the crater and said the plane exploded. This is an easy question. Being in the AF, being a trained accident investigator, the exploded statement is understandable since untrained people seeing flight 93 impact would not understand a 600 mph impact, but it does look like an explosion, and the plane sure did explode into the ground. If you want to see an explosion like this take any object at 600 mph and put something in its way. (Flight 93 is a classic high speed hit angle aircraft hit. Go to join the AF and learn how to be an accident investigator and see how to get a whole plane and many people in a tiny little space with an impact equal to 2200 pounds of TNT; you could call that an Explosion; what do you think?)

So we have the white corporate jet asked by ATC to take a look for 93, he sees the fires and the plane is gone, we have exploded.

boy your questions rival a 3 years olds quest to have mom talk more, carry on

Camp David is east southeast of flight 93 crash at 81.27 miles, or so. That makes Flight 93 81 miles west northwest of Camp David. But only 63 miles from Pittsburgh, which lines up with Camp David and Flight 93. They all line up, it is the first time in history a plane has crashed 81 miles from Camp David and 63 miles from Pittsburgh on a straight line. Now you know the rest of the.... lack of research again
 
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A plane going down and also described as "exploded" aren't mutually exclusive. I'd describe a good portion of the plane crashes I've seen as appearing to be "exploded"; that doesn't mean they were shot down. It just means that the plane is in pieces as far as I can tell. I think it's perfectly logical.
 
Swing Dangler said:
Anyone have any interpretation of this quote:



If American 11 is the original, then who is N334AA? If the original guy is still airborne, who is not airborne?
Are they discussing two different planes? If
If so that could make things interesting....
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Please tell me that you are not that stupid?

This is very basic schoolboy stuff SD
 
Mince said:
I'm sure this has been posted already, but I reprint it here for reflection.


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=14767&st=150&#last

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Am I the only one who gets a sense of Dylan really struggling with this in that thread? As if listening to these tapes is putting a human side on the people it was once easy to nonchalantly toss into the conspiracy?

I'm not saying he'd ever turn his back on the movement, but there are a lot of "what if" paths you can't go down if you take NORAD out of the equation.
 
Mince said:
I'm sure this has been posted already, but I reprint it here for reflection.


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=14767&st=150&#last

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Dylan also admits that neither Norad nor the controllers were "in on it."

But, he uses that as an introduction to this statement.

"A very small handful of people were "in on it" That's why I get offended when people tell me I'm implicating hundreds of thousands of innocent people."

Dylan getting offended. Sounds like Stundie material...
 
Drudgewire said:
Am I the only one who gets a sense of Dylan really struggling with this in that thread? As if listening to these tapes is putting a human side on the people it was once easy to nonchalantly toss into the conspiracy?

I'm not saying he'd ever turn his back on the movement, but there are a lot of "what if" paths you can't go down if you take NORAD out of the equation.
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I've noticed a little bit of that too. Some of the real hard core twoofers are getting upset. They just banned Lyte and Merc permanently the other day.

LC:FC=Dylan lite?
 
Myriad said:
Shanksville is ENE of Camp David.

Not particularly close to Camp David, but not that far either, at jet speeds.

So, how plausible is it that military personnel, dealing with an event that included an attack on Washington DC, would use Camp David as the nearest reference point to Shanksville, as opposed to say Pittsburgh that was a bit closer but in the opposite direction from where the plane was heading? Seems pretty plausible to me. There's not much else of strategic interest in between.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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Or to phrase it so maybe twoo-woo ers can understand,The Military used the nearest likely target (Camp David, the President of the United States retreat/home/office) which the weapon (a loaded airplane) was aimed toward, as opposed to Pittsburgh, which is behind the weapon?
 
So, this is what we have to look forward to for awhile.

A bunch of 15 year-olds, with too much time on their hands, pouring over these tapes, looking for 'clues', cherry-picking quotes, without the foggiest notion of what they are really listening to. Not getting it the fact that during the critical, confusing day of Sep 11, not everybody had all the information, people make verbal mistakes, and for this reason, first reports always have to be taken with a grain of salt.

Do you really think it's important whether or not Shanksville is east, or north-east of Camp David? This is minutiae. This is what is important: Plane wreckage, including passenger remains and black boxes, were recovered. People died there.
 
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