NORAD Tapes

[Swing Dangler]

A plane going down and also described as "exploded" aren't mutually exclusive. I'd describe a good portion of the plane crashes I've seen as appearing to be "exploded"; that doesn't mean they were shot down. It just means that the plane is in pieces as far as I can tell. I think it's perfectly logical.

A shoot down also makes perfect sense to me or a bomb going off in the plane which would account for the miles wide debris field.

Since the whole plane is in the ground, the white plane asked by ATC to look for 93, saw the crater and said the plane exploded.

White plane source from the NORAD tapes?

Not necessarily, what id powell source for hearing of a crash north east of camp david? if he heard it from NORAD this cant be considered confirmation because its the same source

Excellent question as to the source of Powell, Fleisher's, and a CBS news report, Arlington After Action Report as well as the 9/11 Com report that commented on that crash site. The FAA new pretty precisely where 93 crashed: Command Center: O.K. Uh, there is now on that United 93.
FAA Headquarters: Yes.
Command Center: There is a report of black smoke in the last position I gave you, fifteen miles south of Johnstown.
FAA Headquarters: From the airplane or from the ground?
Command Center: Uh, they're speculating it's from the aircraft.
FAA Headquarters: Okay.
Command Center: Uh, who, it hit the ground. That's what they're speculating, that's speculation only.
Source: 9/11 Commission Report

Granted it could all be just one big mix up but it makes for excellent discussion either way.

 

[SDC]

Errors and edits

Wrong, it wasn't repeatedly, it was once. And for you, I will edit that comment.

It's bad form to go back and explain, but since my comment (actual reference to "north east" vs S.Dangler's change of that to "east") seems trivial, I'd like to say a little more. It occured to me that S.Dangler's change in stated directions, especially discussing a plane so close to DC and the evident (from the tapes) confusion on Sept 11, could be a deliberate attempt on S.Dangler's part to confuse the issue, which then would live on in the discussion; that's why I felt it was worth pointing it out. I wasn't just being a pedant. And I'm glad he corrected it. No doubt I was wrong in my suspicion.

I've never flown a plane -- and never will, if I have anything to say about it -- but I would guess that whether one went east, east by northeast, or northeast in a jet traveling 500 mph or more would quickly make an enormous difference. Not a trivial one at all.

Re-bye.

 

[Reheat]

A shoot down also makes perfect sense to me or a bomb going off in the plane which would account for the miles wide debris field.

Just how many miles was that debris field, again? What was in it away from the crash site?

Granted it could all be just one big mix up but it makes for excellent discussion either way.

Excellent discussion ONLY to a Troofer.

 

[Dr Harry Rein]

A shoot down also makes perfect sense to me or a bomb going off in the plane which would account for the miles wide debris field.

The FDR was recovered from Flight 93. There is no evidence of a shootdown or a bomb exploding.

 

[Mince]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=14767&st=100

by the wonderful, indelible Pdoh


These tapes are looking like they disprove a stand down order. The fighters were being told to shoot down planes if they didnt respond

Gee, you see how you can be wrong when you make unsubstantiated claims? At least he has the (minor) manhood to admit it.

 

[boloboffin]

I am certainly NOT looking forward to people pouring over every single word in all 120 hours of this thing asking "hmmmmm. What did he mean by that?"

Keep them busy and esoteric. An esoteric truther is the debunker's best friend. In the meantime, get the tapes so you can verify and dismantle when the inevitable misunderstandings arise.

Already, we've got woodybox at DU saying that Flight 11 was in the air after the North Tower crash, and that it was no phantom.

 

[Par]

Source?

Suggesting a distinction between “N334AA” and “Flight 11”; “they knew what they were doing” becomes “they knew what they wanted us to do”; “north-east” becomes “north”; “exploded” becomes “exploded then went down”; etc.

Also, will this be the first or last time you lie about me?

Question begging question; false dichotomy.

 

[beachnut]

A shoot down also makes perfect sense to me or a bomb going off in the plane which would account for the miles wide debris field.

White plane source from the NORAD tapes?

Excellent question as to the source of Powell, Fleisher's, and a CBS news report, Arlington After Action Report as well as the 9/11 Com report that commented on that crash site. The FAA new pretty precisely where 93 crashed: Command Center: O.K. Uh, there is now on that United 93.
FAA Headquarters: Yes.
Command Center: There is a report of black smoke in the last position I gave you, fifteen miles south of Johnstown.
FAA Headquarters: From the airplane or from the ground?
Command Center: Uh, they're speculating it's from the aircraft.
FAA Headquarters: Okay.
Command Center: Uh, who, it hit the ground. That's what they're speculating, that's speculation only.
Source: 9/11 Commission Report

Granted it could all be just one big mix up but it makes for excellent discussion either way.

There was no miles of debris indicative of a bomb or shoot down, you have to get better at this or you are lost.

It hurts to see so much stupid being dredged up at LCF and by people who can not do simple research. Even Dylan is twisting the tapes to fit his made up ideas on 9/11, to fit his fictional video. NORAD tapes to me become the litmus paper to find out who is a fact less truther and who is a rational thinker. What color are you?

When will you come up with facts? BTW, were is Camp David, what direction from Flight 93 impact. Can you even get the trivia junk right?

You missed the tail number and ignore it. Why not correct your mistakes as you go?

 

[T.A.M.]

These tapes are the equivalent of 10,000 puzzle pieces thrown on the floor, and the picture box thrown out...now try to solve the puzzle.

TAM

 

[Digest]

These tapes are the equivalent of 10,000 puzzle pieces thrown on the floor, and the picture box thrown out...now try to solve the puzzle.

TAM

on it.

 

[Drudgewire]

on it.

And doing a fantastic job. Thank you.

 

[Reality Believer]

These tapes are the equivalent of 10,000 puzzle pieces thrown on the floor, and the picture box thrown out...now try to solve the puzzle.

TAM

But with 3 pieces missing, so the whole picture is incomplete. Conspiracy!

 

[funk de fino]

Anyone have any interpretation of this quote:


If American 11 is the original, then who is N334AA? If the original guy is still airborne, who is not airborne?
Are they discussing two different planes? If
If so that could make things interesting....

again, address this stupidity by admitting your howler

this is very easy stuff

if you get this wrong it would probably not be wise to continue down this path you are treading

 

[Peephole]

I guess this is audio from several sources? Is it from the whole day or only the crucial hours?

 

[ref]

I must admit, I was both wrong and right.

I was wrong in stating, that all they do is look for some stand-down implications at LCF. Dylan admitted there was no stand-down. Great. I'm happy to be wrong this way. He said not NORAD nor the controllers were in on it. Great.

But.

He now says excercises were still going on, and false blips were still on NORAD screens. He seems to be happy.

Mark Roberts is wroooooooooooooooooooooooong.

Mwahaha.

"I've got Cheyenne Mountain on the line...terminating all exercise inputs."

This is ~100 minutes after the attacks started at 8:46.

I wish I knew where the original post of his was so I could dig it up and make this **** my new signature. :lol:

But, like Digest already explained:

your reading way to much into "excercise inputs" - these are simply the call signs assigned to the planes and groups within the training. All they are aying is return to normal call signs to avoid any confusion. the exercises were already over - however they were still using exercise inputs because thats how everything was listed at the stations when the attacks began. If you dont understand what i mean let me know ill explain further.

I'm happy he's going in a right direction. Soon, he will have nothing to back up his conspiracy anymore. But we are not there yet. He is still an idiot, who seems to shine and smile every time he thinks he found some new "evidence" of mass murder. I'll be more than happy to assist all rational people in destroying these conspiracy fantasies. I can't wait to get my projects finished and starting new ones.

 

[T.A.M.]

Were there not exercises going on north of the USA, but still under the direction of NORAD, something to do with Russian movements??? Am I wrong? Could this be the "exercise" they were cancelling??

TAM

 

[Hyperviolet]

I find the NORAD details to be the most confusing, i'll be surprised if i can make head nor tail of the tapes.

I'm curious to see what our own Norad Ninja has to contribute to the OP.

 

[Dumb All Over]

I've listened to a number of hours now. I'm not an expert in this area. They keep referring to the term Mod3. The context of its usage would indicate it has something to do with transponders.

Since the hijackers turned off the transponders, I would assume this is why no Mod3 signals are being detected. Is this correct? Would one of you experts here mind chiming-in and explaining what Mod3 is? Thanks.

Also, if I'm hearing correctly, maybe United 93 didn't immediately turn off its transponder and might have been giving off a Mod3 signal for some time. Does that sound right?

 

[Calcas]

I've listened to a number of hours now. I'm not an expert in this area. They keep referring to the term Mod3. The context of its usage would indicate it has something to do with transponders.

Since the hijackers turned off the transponders, I would assume this is why no Mod3 signals are being detected. Is this correct? Would one of you experts here mind chiming-in and explaining what Mod3 is? Thanks.

Also, if I'm hearing correctly, maybe United 93 didn't immediately turn off its transponder and might have been giving off a Mod3 signal for some time. Does that sound right?

You are correct about Mod3 referring to the transponders. The word is actually "mode" but I wouldn't doubt if some pronounce it as "mod."

Here is a short explanation but read the whole page to get a better idea.

"There have been a number of modes used historically, but four are in common use today: mode 1 mode 2 mode 3/A, and mode C. Mode 1 is used by sort military targets during phases of a mission. Mode 2 is used to identify military aircraft missions. Mode 3/A is used to identify each aircraft in the radar's coverage area. Mode C is used to request an aircraft's altitude."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_control_radar_beacon_system

 

[stanleywinthrop]

I've listened to a number of hours now. I'm not an expert in this area. They keep referring to the term Mod3. The context of its usage would indicate it has something to do with transponders.

Since the hijackers turned off the transponders, I would assume this is why no Mod3 signals are being detected. Is this correct? Would one of you experts here mind chiming-in and explaining what Mod3 is? Thanks.

Also, if I'm hearing correctly, maybe United 93 didn't immediately turn off its transponder and might have been giving off a Mod3 signal for some time. Does that sound right?

You are correct Mode 3 is the IFF transponder used for IFR flight in the U.S. (and most of the world for that matter). It is composed of two signals, a position component (Mode 3) and an altitude component (3/C) A mode 3 'squawk' is a 4 digit number assigned by ATC. The transponder transmits when it is interrogated by a signal from an ATC radar. Depending on the type of ATC radar, every 12 seconds the ATC radar sweeps the sky and every transponder within range responds with it's 4 digit code and altitude.