no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

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I cannot understand this secrecy. Where is the problem, to give free all videos from the pentagon, to give access to the recovered parts of the planes. Then everybody can see, what the truth is, and nobody need to believe anymore.

 

[BigAl]

I still have yet to get a good explanation as to how the plane debris was planted by the goverment in broad daylight. Care to answer ?

All the first-responders, there were hundreds of them from moments after the crash, got in the way of the ACME fake-evidence delivery trucks. The evidence was was delivered by air, by Flight 77.

 

[jhunter1163]

Yes but you have to have at least some agreed upon parameters. When one side considers all evidence from the FBI/CIA/NTSB/FAA/NORAD etc... faked unless it supports their world view, where do you start to have a RATIONAL DISCUSSION?

It is like you having a debate with a 4 year old over the existence of unicorns. The 4 year old still lives in imagination land, so a rational discussion, skeptical or otherwise, is IMPOSSIBLE.

TAM

QFT. It's impossible to have a rational debate with Truthers because nothing, but nothing, will falsify their belief. They proceed from the assumption that the government is ipso facto evil and try to shoehorn a few anomalies into a theory that supports that assumption. When one of their anomalies is debunked, they move on to another, and another, and eventually back to the first one.

KreeL goes on about "blind faith". I submit that blind belief that "teh gubmint is evil" is worse. Must be hell in KreeL's mind, black helicopters everywhere spraying chemtrails, FEMA camps ready to accept millions of sheeple, and only KreeL, Alex Jones and his few followers to stop the NWO's evil plan.

 

[BigAl]

I cannot understand this secrecy. Where is the problem, to give free all videos from the pentagon, to give access to the recovered parts of the planes. Then everybody can see, what the truth is, and nobody need to believe anymore.

What could one more video possibly show?

The evidence for Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon is massive.

 

[BenBurch]

All the first-responders, there were hundreds of them from moments after the crash, got in the way of the ACME fake-evidence delivery trucks. The evidence was was delivered by air, by Flight 77.

I know a civilian fireman who was there. He said (3 years ago when I asked him) that he had nightmares about it still. He said there were body parts and seats and in-flight magazines and luggage bits everywhere.

 

[T.A.M.]

I cannot understand this secrecy. Where is the problem, to give free all videos from the pentagon, to give access to the recovered parts of the planes. Then everybody can see, what the truth is, and nobody need to believe anymore.

When, if ever, in the history of modern man, has the investigative body given open access to the general public, to the physical evidence of a criminal investigation????

When?

I am sorry if I seem angered, but it is really annoying that some people, such as yourself, believe that joe public should be allowed to go over the plane parts, and have a glance at the DNA evidence. Would you like to come in to the coroner's office and have a gock at the remains of the slain as well?

For the love of jesus, what is with you people?

TAM

I mean, for the love of god, they presented this stuff at the Moussoui Trial. So do we assume that the judicial system, procecutors, and defense attorneys, all of whom accepted the evidence, were in on it??

 

[FineWine]

I will venture right now, without any conflicting proof, that the only bodies found inside the Pentagon were those that worked there.

Your dishonesty is astounding. Here is a diagram showing where the remains of passengers and crew were found inside the Pentagon.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

 

[beachnut]

I cannot understand this secrecy. Where is the problem, to give free all videos from the pentagon, to give access to the recovered parts of the planes. Then everybody can see, what the truth is, and nobody need to believe anymore.

What secrecy? List the secrets you think there are. Paranoid a bit?

You can't to save your life tell me why we need serial numbers from parts on a plane that hit the Pentagon.

The world of 911Truth has gone crazy and lost the ability to research. You don't trust the evidence on the record now so why will you trust it when all the non-existent secret stuff is out? If you can't figure out 911 after 7 years it is due to a learning disability and massive gullibility.

So explain why we need serial numbers for 911 aircraft?
Present the regulation that says we need serial numbers.

 

[BenBurch]

Your dishonesty is astounding. Here is a diagram showing where the remains of passengers and crew were found inside the Pentagon.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

What is astounding is his extreme cruelty to the families of the lost.

 

[BenBurch]

From another thread;

Can any of the "truthers" here show me even one accident report where all of the serial numbers of all of the parts from the wreck were recorded?

Just ONE?

ValueJet 597 crash? http://www.bluecoat.org/reports/NTSB_96_Valujet.html

NOPE! And in that one, the wreckage was so shredded, it was not even clear where the plane went.

American Eagle 4184, Roselawn, IN? http://www.bluecoat.org/reports/NTSB_96_Roselawn_ATR.pdf

NOPE! Another plane that was reduced to tiny bits.

Think I am cherry-picking? Go find me the report that proves it.

In my experience the ONLY times serial numbers enter into the NTSB record in an air crash are when there is some doubt about the maintenance history or authentic manufacture of a part contributing to the accident. I have read a lot of NTSB reports, and have only see this ONCE.

 

[FineWine]

I cannot understand this secrecy. Where is the problem, to give free all videos from the pentagon, to give access to the recovered parts of the planes. Then everybody can see, what the truth is, and nobody need to believe anymore.

The cameras were set at shutter speeds too slow to catch an object moving at 750 feet per second. A real conspiracy would have faked videos. You people keep ignoring that extremely inconvenient FACT.

Fragments of aircraft wreckage would demonstrate nothing to the uninformed frauds of the "truth" movement. They would rave and babble and eventually declare them to be fakes.

The truth is out there and it is very clear. You can't see it because you are blinded by your political agenda.

 

[BigAl]

The cameras were set at shutter speeds too slow to catch an object moving at 750 feet per second. A real conspiracy would have faked videos. You people keep ignoring that extremely inconvenient FACT.

And people point security cameras at doors or asphalt or security gates, not blue sky. The one video he have was an accident.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I cannot understand this secrecy. Where is the problem, to give free all videos from the pentagon, to give access to the recovered parts of the planes. Then everybody can see, what the truth is, and nobody need to believe anymore.

Given that the purpose of asking for these videos is supposedly to validate the narrative of FL77 hitting the Pentagon, and given that some videos have been released already, I cannot understand the obsession on this topic. We have the FDR, CVR, ATC radar data track, DNA evidence, eyewitness statements, testimony from the airline that the jet did not arrive at its destination, recordings of cell and airphone calls... the list goes on and on. So what would a video of a blur - and make no mistake, an object moving at 400+ MPH would appear as nothing more than a blur on a security camera; we know this from the one video of the impact that has been released - add to this? A .0000001% validation on top of the 99.99999% validation we already have?

This is akin to others (the latest being Ultima) asking for serial numbers on the debris. It's a minute detail sitting in the shadow of the mountain of existing evidence.

 

[Lenbrazil]

Originally Posted by beachnut
You can't tell us why we need serial number.

(...)

... because here should be "a place to discuss skepticism, critical thinking ...".

It is but you fail to display any.

It's amazing how truther canards never seem to die and how most truthers seem impervious to rational expatiations. Most seem to suffer from a mutated form of the "Luna syndrome". The term was coined (I think) by one of my high school teachers. He was referring to a scene from Sleeper in which Luna [Diane Keaton] has snuck into where Miles [Woody Allen] is being held after being captured and brainwashed.

Luna: HELLO, MILES. -

Miles: WHO ARE YOU ? -

Luna: WHO AM I ? I'M LUNA. -

Miles: WHO ? -

Luna: LUNA. DON'T YOU REMEMBER ? WE WERE OUTLAWS, ALIENS. THE POLICE CAPTURED YOU. I ESCAPED. I'M WITH THE UNDERGROUND. REMEMBER ? THE WESTERN DISTRICT ? MILES, I'M LUNA. LUNA, REMEMBER ? LUNA.

Miles: YOUR NAME IS NOT LUNA, IS IT ?

Expect that truthers normally don't get to the last stage. See below.

 

[Wolrab]

I once saw a very disturbing picture of some of the passengers burned corpses still strapped in their seats. Maybe kreel can find that image somewhere and use it to fuel his disgusting masturbatory fantasies.

 

[Lenbrazil]

If Col. Nelson and other truther are so sure the lack of part serial #s is suspicious perhaps they can point to civilian crashed where the serial numbers of parts not suspected as contributing to the crash (other than CVR's and FDR's) were cited in reports.

I wrote the following for another forum January 29, 2007, so it refers to the 10 most recent crashes as of then. I imagine if one repeated the search now or for the last 10 reports before 9/11 the resilts would be essentially the same.

If we look at the 10 most recent accidents in the NTSB database with full reports http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/A_Acc1.htm we can see the serial numbers of parts are hardly ever mentioned.


Unless otherwise noted serial numbers are not mentioned:

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/AAB0607.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/AAB0606.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/AAB0605.pdf (only mentions the serial number of the CVR)
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/AAB0604.pdf (only mentions the serial number of the plane)
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2006/AAB0603.pdf (only mentions the serial number of the plane)
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2005/AAR0502.pdf (only mentions the serial number of the plane, CVR and FDR )
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2005/AAR0501.pdf (only mentions the serial number of the plane, CVR and FDR )
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2004/AAR0403.pdf (mentions serial numbers of the plane, engines, and an engine cylinder)
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2004/AAR0404.pdf Flight 587 (mentions serial numbers of the engines, FDR, CVR and an auxiliary power unit)
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2004/AAR0402.pdf

Total reports that cite CVR and/or FDR serial numbers:4 , 40 percent.
Total reports that cite serial numbers of other parts: 2, percent: 20.

However the exceptions might prove the rule except in one case where part numbers were cited they were of whole assemblies engines, CVRs etc not individual component parts and there is no indication the numbers were identified on the recovered parts as opposed to culled from preexisting paper work. In theory its possible that in some cases the part was too badly damaged to identify the serial number and they presumed it was the part from the plane. In the single case they gave the serial number of a component part they suspected that a problem with the part (the engine cylinder) contributed to the crash.

So: Total report(s) that cite serial numbers of component parts: 1, percent: 10
Total reports that cite serial numbers of component parts not suspected as a factor in the crash: 0, percent.

Your expectation that the serial numbers of the recovered parts should have been cited has been falsified.


One problem with “CT thinking” is that often you guys say things like ‘X,Y and Z happened in this case it shouldn’t have’ (or the converse it should have happened but didn’t) but fail to verify what happened in similar cases.

 

[lapman]

U1 will claim that complete serial number listings are required by law in 3..2..1...

 

[jhunter1163]

I once saw a very disturbing picture of some of the passengers burned corpses still strapped in their seats. Maybe kreel can find that image somewhere and use it to fuel his disgusting masturbatory fantasies.

Those were exhibits in the Moussaoui trial. I won't link them here, but I've seen them too and don't ever want to see them again.

 

[Baylor]

This trutherism is being misconstrued by the OP and further by our resident troll. The OP, and the troll parroting it, says "no serial numbers were identified from flight 77." This is, of course, an obvious lie. Even LC2E gave the serial number. Any one can look it up. Here it is. The trutherism I commonly come across is: none of the photos of the wreckage are of Flight 77's serial number. The plane's serial number is usually on the landing gear, thus the debris could be from anywhere.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

So to sum up:

There's DNA evidence of 90% of the people on the plane, recovered inside the pentagon.

There are plane parts from a Boeing 757 recovered inside the pentagon.

There are 100+ people who saw the plane fly into the pentagon.

AA was missing that plane on 9/12/2001.

There is no evidence that he plane continued to operate after 9/11/2001.

.....and a few idiots think that because every serial number of every part of that plane wasn't listed for them that all of the above is invalid?

You forgot to end that with "Got it. Thanks."