Neurocluster Brain Model/Moses and Yogis

[Brainache]

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So before Moses even went up to get the first set of tablets, we have seventy elders of Israel who supposedly saw God with their own eyes, plus all the people who'd heard the voice of God giving them the first ten commandments the day before.

I bet the job prospects for those seventy elders went up after this was announced...

 

[Iamme]

....and....how mysterious it is that God supposedly was able to actually speak to people back then(so it says in a book)...but for some reason dont speak to us now. And of course you know the excuse will be that we need faith and free will. I guess Adam and Moses, Mary and the disciples(like during the Transfiguration), to name some, were exempt from this, i guess.

 

[dafydd]

Are we considering the Neuro Cluster Brain Model to be science?

The name 'neuro cluster brain model' could be a clue here.

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

I am going to read Exodus, and contemplate. Very disturbing to me about many of the Bible stories...sounds contrived, in order that some leader can gain respect and command over his people. Also what disturbs me is how a god that is the creator of the heavens and of all people, only concentrated his interest on Hebrews/Jews, as if they were the only people on Earth.

Or maybe Moses is a fabricated character and none of it happened. The whole "Egyptian captivity" is a historical nonsense.

The details of Moses character might be exaggerated however there is very high probability that Moses character had the real prototype – maybe the prototype had another name, maybe slightly different biography or whatever, but it is very likely that at least some parts of Moses story are true.
The original biblical story of 600 thousands slaves fleeing from slavery in Egypt being led by Moses is of course unrealistic scenario. The number of “600 thousands” actually can be reduced to “600 families” even using the “Exodus” text in original Hebrew language:
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http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/twelve-tribes-of-israel.html
The basic unit within the tribe was the Clan. The Hebrew word for clan is "Elef", and translates as "clan", or "group". This word has created much controversy surrounding the number of Israelites in the Exodus. A clear indication of its usage in Scripture can be gleamed from Numbers 1:16.
"These were the ones chosen from the congregation, the leaders of their ancestral tribes, the heads of the clans (elfei) of Israel."
This passage suggests the translation of "Elef" does not indicate "thousand", as it is translated in Exodus 12:37.
"The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth. There were about six hundred thousand (elef) men on foot, besides women and children."
With this in mind, it is much more manageable if the translation reads; "six hundred clans of men on foot". Further passages support this view, based on the military engagements between the wandering twelve tribes of Israel and Egypt. An exodus of 2.5 million men, women, and children present many problems when confronted with other passages in the Bible.
Additional support for this interpretation can be drawn from the many references to clans throughout the Old Testament. Whenever Scripture is talking of the twelve tribes of Israel as individual tribes, the word clan is used. Joshua allots the land of Canaan according to their clans. Representatives are elected from amongst the people out of the individual clans.
It would make sense, thus, when describing the Exodus out of Egypt, that the Bible mentions the people moving out of Egypt in 600 clans, or by family. In other words, the Exodus was organized by clans, with each clan responsible for the well being of each member. As the twelve tribes of Israel remained autonomous, it was up to the clan to maintain law and order.
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The actual number of slaves fleeing from slavery is not important, the number might had been exaggerated, however what is important here is that Moses led some large group of slaves into Sinai desert for forty years of wandering in the desert.
It is important to note that Sinai desert is quite small and it can be crossed through in several weeks or months – all you need to do is to simply go in one direction and you will cross the desert. However Moses wandered with slaves for forty years in Sinai desert which leads to a simple conclusion that Moses was wandering around in circles inside the Sinai desert which leads to conclusion that such Moses activity actually is not a “fleeing from Egypt” at all.
It is important to note two things: 1) Moses was raised in Pharaoh’s house 2) Moses led large group people who were slaves.
It is quite obvious that in times of Moses there were no telephones, no radios, no internet, etc – so it was technically impossible to organize the fleeing of slaves from captivity in such big numbers. Several slaves can flee, ten slaves can flee, but not the numbers which are mentioned in “Exodus”.
Fleeing of such big number of slaves is technically impossible, however a very realistic scenario is the following: the group of Egyptian slaves were FORCED to go into Sinai desert for forty years of artificial brainwashing program, and the coordinator and leader of this brainwashing program was Moses who had full technical support from the Egyptian high priests (actual rulers of the Egypt). The Ancient Egypt was technically capable to build pyramids, so it is obvious that Ancient Egypt had enough resources to support and fund brainwashing project of forty years length in Sinai desert. Why such project was needed – that’s another long story, so we won’t go into details now. All that you need to know here is that Moses spending forty years in Sinai desert with large group of slaves is simply the big brainwashing project accomplished by Egyptian high priests in ancient times and this project is somewhat equivalent to Manhattan Project (development of atomic bomb) of United States.

 

[tsig]

The details of Moses character might be exaggerated however there is very high probability that Moses character had the real prototype – maybe the prototype had another name, maybe slightly different biography or whatever, but it is very likely that at least some parts of Moses story are true.
The original biblical story of 600 thousands slaves fleeing from slavery in Egypt being led by Moses is of course unrealistic scenario. The number of “600 thousands” actually can be reduced to “600 families” even using the “Exodus” text in original Hebrew language:
=========
http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/twelve-tribes-of-israel.html
The basic unit within the tribe was the Clan. The Hebrew word for clan is "Elef", and translates as "clan", or "group". This word has created much controversy surrounding the number of Israelites in the Exodus. A clear indication of its usage in Scripture can be gleamed from Numbers 1:16.
"These were the ones chosen from the congregation, the leaders of their ancestral tribes, the heads of the clans (elfei) of Israel."
This passage suggests the translation of "Elef" does not indicate "thousand", as it is translated in Exodus 12:37.
"The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth. There were about six hundred thousand (elef) men on foot, besides women and children."
With this in mind, it is much more manageable if the translation reads; "six hundred clans of men on foot". Further passages support this view, based on the military engagements between the wandering twelve tribes of Israel and Egypt. An exodus of 2.5 million men, women, and children present many problems when confronted with other passages in the Bible.
Additional support for this interpretation can be drawn from the many references to clans throughout the Old Testament. Whenever Scripture is talking of the twelve tribes of Israel as individual tribes, the word clan is used. Joshua allots the land of Canaan according to their clans. Representatives are elected from amongst the people out of the individual clans.
It would make sense, thus, when describing the Exodus out of Egypt, that the Bible mentions the people moving out of Egypt in 600 clans, or by family. In other words, the Exodus was organized by clans, with each clan responsible for the well being of each member. As the twelve tribes of Israel remained autonomous, it was up to the clan to maintain law and order.
=========

The actual number of slaves fleeing from slavery is not important, the number might had been exaggerated, however what is important here is that Moses led some large group of slaves into Sinai desert for forty years of wandering in the desert.
It is important to note that Sinai desert is quite small and it can be crossed through in several weeks or months – all you need to do is to simply go in one direction and you will cross the desert. However Moses wandered with slaves for forty years in Sinai desert which leads to a simple conclusion that Moses was wandering around in circles inside the Sinai desert which leads to conclusion that such Moses activity actually is not a “fleeing from Egypt” at all.
It is important to note two things: 1) Moses was raised in Pharaoh’s house 2) Moses led large group people who were slaves.
It is quite obvious that in times of Moses there were no telephones, no radios, no internet, etc – so it was technically impossible to organize the fleeing of slaves from captivity in such big numbers. Several slaves can flee, ten slaves can flee, but not the numbers which are mentioned in “Exodus”.
Fleeing of such big number of slaves is technically impossible, however a very realistic scenario is the following: the group of Egyptian slaves were FORCED to go into Sinai desert for forty years of artificial brainwashing program, and the coordinator and leader of this brainwashing program was Moses who had full technical support from the Egyptian high priests (actual rulers of the Egypt). The Ancient Egypt was technically capable to build pyramids, so it is obvious that Ancient Egypt had enough resources to support and fund brainwashing project of forty years length in Sinai desert. Why such project was needed – that’s another long story, so we won’t go into details now. All that you need to know here is that Moses spending forty years in Sinai desert with large group of slaves is simply the big brainwashing project accomplished by Egyptian high priests in ancient times and this project is somewhat equivalent to Manhattan Project (development of atomic bomb) of United States.

The Manhattan Project took 40 years?

In 40 years you wouldn't have to wash brains you could grow whole new ones.

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

The Manhattan Project took 40 years?

Manhattan Project took only 4 years.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
The Manhattan Project was a research and development project that produced the first atomic bombs during World War II. <…> From 1942 to 1946, the project was under the direction of Major General Leslie Groves of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
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Manhattan Project was chosen only as an example to illustrate the general idea. Manhattan Project is usually used as an example of a big complicated project which requires huge recourses, Manhattan Project is usually used as an example of project which only the super-powerful country is able to accomplish.
So the “Sinai desert project” in that sense is in somewhat similar to “Manhattan Project” because “Sinai desert project” required huge recourses and could be accomplished only by ancient superpower – which Ancient Egypt was at that time.

In 40 years you wouldn't have to wash brains you could grow whole new ones.

That is correct – approximately 25 years is the average duration of one(1) generation, so in 40 years there is a change of 2-3 generations. The original slave generation which was FORCED into Sinai desert (== natural concentration camp) for brainwashing project did not survive the completion of “Sinai desert project” and the majority of original slaves had died out, however offspring generations (the children and grandchildren of original slaves) were born and raised in the atmosphere of complete total brainwashing and terror headed by the Moses. Moses showed no mercy and ordered to kill everybody who dared to oppose the brainwashing project. The result of “Sinai desert project” was formation of army of brainwashed biorobots who were under full obedience to the authors of the “Sinai desert project”. The “Sinai desert project” had reached the original goal successfully.

 

[tsig]

Manhattan Project took only 4 years.
===========
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
The Manhattan Project was a research and development project that produced the first atomic bombs during World War II. <…> From 1942 to 1946, the project was under the direction of Major General Leslie Groves of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
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Manhattan Project was chosen only as an example to illustrate the general idea. Manhattan Project is usually used as an example of a big complicated project which requires huge recourses, Manhattan Project is usually used as an example of project which only the super-powerful country is able to accomplish.
So the “Sinai desert project” in that sense is in somewhat similar to “Manhattan Project” because “Sinai desert project” required huge recourses and could be accomplished only by ancient superpower – which Ancient Egypt was at that time.




That is correct – approximately 25 years is the average duration of one(1) generation, so in 40 years there is a change of 2-3 generations. The original slave generation which was FORCED into Sinai desert (== natural concentration camp) for brainwashing project did not survive the completion of “Sinai desert project” and the majority of original slaves had died out, however offspring generations (the children and grandchildren of original slaves) were born and raised in the atmosphere of complete total brainwashing and terror headed by the Moses. Moses showed no mercy and ordered to kill everybody who dared to oppose the brainwashing project. The result of “Sinai desert project” was formation of army of brainwashed biorobots who were under full obedience to the authors of the “Sinai desert project”. The “Sinai desert project” had reached the original goal successfully.

You are aware that military basic training accomplishes the same thing in much less time?

 

[Manopolus]

...
Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk

My favorite of all God's supposed commands!

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

You are aware that military basic training accomplishes the same thing in much less time?

Explanation.
The Ancient Egypt already had the standard military army which was powerful enough to keep the Egypt in superpower position, so it would be illogical to start new “Sinai desert project” to produce the same standard military soldiers which Egypt had already in excess.
The purpose of “Sinai desert project” was completely different. And here is the explanation of the purpose of “Sinai desert project”.
We were told in schools that Ancient Egypt was ruled by pharaohs. However let’s analyze this claim a bit. Historical annals tell that pharaohs usually succeeded to the throne through royal birth. Sometimes the boys as young as 13 years of age had become a pharaoh.
Now let’s think a little bit. Is a boy of 13 years of age really capable to rule such Great Empire as Ancient Egypt?
It is obvious that he cannot, he does not have the required skills and qualification to rule such Great Empire as Ancient Egypt.
Let’s raise a question: so who actually ruled the Egypt when a boy 13 years of age was put in the throne?
The actual rulers of Ancient Egypt were the Egyptian high priests (grey cardinals of Egypt) and pharaoh was the nominal head of Egypt.
Ancient Egypt was constantly at wars with neighboring countries and despite Egypt had been quite successful in military battles, the rulers of the Egypt began to understand one basic natural law – you cannot win all the battles 100 percent of the time – sometimes you win, however sometimes you lose, and the outcome can be unpredictable, the dependence on raw physical power alone cannot guarantee the success because it is only the question of time when the more powerful neighbor will come and beat you. The rulers of the Egypt began pondering how to deal with this natural law and how to stay always successful, so they found a solution to that problem – you need to deal with neighbors not by using physical power, but instead by using the information. You need a bunch of people who are capable to convince the neighbors with the ideas and beliefs which are advantageous to you, who are capable to outsmart the neighbors intellectually – it does not matter if the lies or truth is used in the process – the only thing which matters is the result, you need an army of people who are capable to beat the neighbors intellectually. You need an army whose weapon is the information and not the usual weaponry such as arrows, spears, swords, shields and so on. You need an army of people who are capable to beat the neighbors just by manipulation of information alone. You need an army of people who are smarter and more intellectually capable than all neighbors around. However where do you get such army of people whose weapon is information? The answer is simple: you need to form such army yourself starting from zero.
And that is the reason why “Sinai desert project” was started – to produce the army of people whose weapon is information. You cannot produce such army in several years (as tsig naively believes), you need the decades of time in order to produce such army. So a group of slaves were FORCED into Sinai desert (== natural concentration camp) for the greatest brainwashing project in history. The first generation of slaves (original slaves who entered Sinai desert) almost all died out during the process, however their children and grandchildren were born and raised in the atmosphere of complete total brainwashing and terror headed by the Moses. Moses showed no mercy and ordered to kill everybody who dared to oppose the brainwashing project. The result of “Sinai desert project” was formation of army whose weaponry is the information and who were under full obedience to the authors of the “Sinai desert project”. The authors of “Sinai desert project” were the Egyptian high priests who named themselves as “levites” and infiltrated into that newly formed information army. The “levites” declared themselves as the right hand of God, “levites” declared that ONLY the “levites” have the right to write the text of the Bible and that ONLY the “levites” have the right to interpret the text of the bible. The descendants of Egyptian high priests declared themselves as “levites” and declared that God has given them exclusive right to command all information army which was formed from descendants of slaves forced into “Sinai desert” during the greatest brainwashing project in history.
The “Sinai desert project” had reached the original goal successfully.
Please read very carefully the first five books of Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) and you will find a very detailed description of the greatest brainwashing project in history.

 

[sleepy_lioness]

There is no archaeological evidence of the Exodus at all. The majority of Old Testament scholars and historians consider the story to be a national origin myth, which most cultures have. It was a potent story for rallying the Israelites (and later the Jews) around a story of redemption by Yahweh, particularly useful in times when the nation faced an existential threat, such as during the exiles of the eighth to sixth centuries BCE (which might be when it was first written down, or even invented). It can't be taken as a history in the sense of a description of events which actually happened, so your speculations about Egyptian esoteria are at the very least beside the point.

 

[catsmate]

The details of Moses character might be exaggerated however there is very high probability that Moses character had the real prototype – maybe the prototype had another name, maybe slightly different biography or whatever, but it is very likely that at least some parts of Moses story are true.

Evidence for your assertion please.

The original biblical story of 600 thousands slaves fleeing from slavery in Egypt being led by Moses is of course unrealistic scenario. The number of “600 thousands” actually can be reduced to “600 families” even using the “Exodus” text in original Hebrew language:<snip>

Evidence for an Egyptian Captivity and Exdous being real, historical, events please.

<snip>what is important here is that Moses led some large group of slaves into Sinai desert for forty years of wandering in the desert.

Evidence for your assertions please.

It is important to note two things: 1) Moses was raised in Pharaoh’s house

2) Moses led large group people who were slaves.

however a very realistic scenario is the following: the group of Egyptian slaves were FORCED to go into Sinai desert for forty years of artificial brainwashing program,

and the coordinator and leader of this brainwashing program was Moses who had full technical support from the Egyptian high priests (actual rulers of the Egypt).

The Ancient Egypt was technically capable to build pyramids, so it is obvious that Ancient Egypt had enough resources to support and fund brainwashing project of forty years length in Sinai desert. [/quote]

Why such project was needed – that’s another long story, so we won’t go into details now.

Do please, I wait with bated breath.

All that you need to know here is that Moses spending forty years in Sinai desert with large group of slaves is simply the big brainwashing project accomplished by Egyptian high priests in ancient times and this project is somewhat equivalent to Manhattan Project (development of atomic bomb) of United States.

Evidence supporting this ludicrously stupid assertion?

Or, and here's a revolutionary thought, we could simply accept the reality that Moses was a fabrication and the events of the Egyptian Captivity and Exodus are entirely fiction, based on the Babylonian Captivity.

 

[JaysonR]

The Hebrew idiom of "40 <time>" is a reference to a trial in which one enters the trial, faces a deep struggle, and exits the trial with a renewed ontological vigor.

Most revered figures and events have a trial period before producing any delivery of what they (the scribes of each interval time period) thought was divine knowledge; it could also become added through oral tradition for the same reasonings.

At most, if it is to be taken for an actual physical event (which did become an ascetic practice by some sects), it would simply refer to the activity of fasting in solitude, or traveling in turmoil.
It would not inform much about the time period.


Regarding the idea of praying and fasting; there actually are some curiosities in ritual initiation practices which need further study, but have been partially noted and examined:

Here's a section from the neurological editorial which periodically discusses the updates of neurotheological studies:

Where God and Science Meet Vol. 2, The neurology of religious experience
Chapter 7, Religious Conversion, Spiritual Transformation, and the Neurology of Meaning Making.
Chapter Authors: Raymond F Paloutzian, Erica L. Swenson, and Patrick McNamara

Pg. 159, 160

Although not universally true, many sudden conversions are associated with heightened feeling and states of arousal (Paloutzian, 1996). Prioar to conversion, a person may pray and meditate. Prayer and meditation have been linked to the following positive physiological and psychological states (Newberg, Alavi et al., 2001; Newberg & Newberg, 2005): (a) The person may feel that his or her stress, worries, and anxiety have dissipated. This relaxed state is indicated by lower levels of the stress hormone cortisol in urine and plasma during meditation (Sudsuang, Chentanez, & Veluvan, 1991). (b) The person is likely to feel less pain and fear than under normal conditions, while breathing slower and having sensations of joy and euphoria (Newberg & Newberg, 2005). These positive feelings are associated with the release of beta-endorphins during meditation (Kiss, Kocsis, Csaki, Corcs, & Halasz, 1997). Beta-endorphins are opiods produced in the hypothalamus and distributed to the brain's sub-cortical areas. (c) The sensations of happiness and euphoria may be further enhanced by the overall elevation in serotonin during meditation, as shown by the increased breakdown products of serotonin in urine after meditation (Walton, Pugh, Gelderloos, & Macrae, 1995). Higher levels of serotonin provide feelings of happiness and have a modulatory effect on dompamine, which also leads to feelings of euphoria (Newberg & Newberg, 2005). (d) The person may experience the sensation of progressively deeper relaxation. This is linked to the increased parasympathetic nervous system activity during meditation, which leads to lower heart and respiratory rate (Newberg & Newberg, 2005). (e) Sensitivity to pain and activity in the central nervous system may be reduced thanks to the neurohormone melatonin (Shaji & Kulkarni, 1998). Melatonin is produced in increased levels during meditation (Tooley, Armstrong, Norman, & Sali, 2000).
A meaning system analysis says that such experiences are important not merely because of their unusual phenomenology or because they happen to be pleasurable, but because they are interpreted and experienced within the person's meaning system. They are appraised and given new meaning (Park, 2005) and given the right circumstances can produce change in central elements of the person's meaning system sufficient to call it religious conversion of spiritual transformation (Paloutzian, 2005).
These positive effects may be enhanced when the potential convert is in a social context with religious adherents who are also praying and meditating (Paloutzian, Fikes, & Hutesbaut, 2002). It would make sense that experiencing a sense of euphoric happiness through prayer or meditation would make a person more likely to convert, especially when circumstances dictate a new religious or spiritual attribution for the experience (Spilka, Shaver, & Kirkpatrick, 1985; Spilka et al., 2003). We hypothesize that the positive physiological experiences that a person has during meditation will make sudden conversion more likely. It seems, therefore, that neurological evidence may be consistent with well-known principles from social psychology that indicate that a change in belief may be a consequence of a change in behavior. In fact, in a classic text on relation between attitude, belief, and behavior change, it was observed that in the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible), "The rabbis are enjoined not to make their parishioners or converts believe in God before they are asked to pray, but to have them pray first so that belief will follow" (Zimbardo & Ebbesen, 1970, p. 13).

Which, if mixed with fasting, and especially if mixed with fasting, chanting, and fast paced drumming, the results can be very visceral and hallucinogenic; at the very least, very euphoric.


This editorial is generally a good read, and worth digging up if you can find it around.
I'm on the third volume at this point.

 

[Brainache]

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Which, if mixed with fasting, and especially if mixed with fasting, chanting, and fast paced drumming, the results can be very visceral and hallucinogenic; at the very least, very euphoric.
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Then you add the cactus or the mushroom or the cannabis or whatever to enhance the mystical and, Bob's your Deity...

There was an article somewhere about the anointing oil used in Ancient Judaism for Priests was mostly cannabis oil. I don't know how true it was though...

 

[neuroclusterbrain]

The description of Neurocluster Brain Model was updated and expanded

The description of Neurocluster Brain Model was updated and expanded. New additions are: how does the holotropic breathwork work, what is Kundalini awakening, what is intuition, what is subconscious, what are the highest spiritual states, etc.
http://neuroclusterbrain.com

Also added the detailed analysis and underlying mechanisms of the Holy Spirit:
http://neuroclusterbrain.com/holy_spirit.html

A brief summary of Neurocluster Brain Model is following.
When a man sees new unknown object for the first time then finite number of neurons in the brain (cluster of neurons) stores information about object's model (how the object looks, how the object moves, how the object behaves, etc). Information about that object is saved not in the whole brain, but only in the finite “piece of the brain” – the evidence for that are experimental data about brain damage – if the brain is damaged in some local area then brain loses information only about some classes of objects, but not about all objects. The model of the object is stored inside the “piece of the brain” (cluster of neurons) and this neurocluster acts not only as passive “data file” but also under special conditions this neurocluster can act as “executable file” which can simulate the behavior of stored object for the main personality – this is the underlying mechanism of how religious adepts communicate with spirits/angels/Gods/etc and also the underlying mechanism of other religious and occult phenomena.

 

[JoeMorgue]

"This thing I don't understand proves this thing that doesn't exist." - Apologetics

 

[Donn]

It's a pity neuroclusterbrain does not use his neuro clusters, or his brain, to engage anyone in the thread. It's almost as if he's not even alive, just a collection of code that pastes from a URL.

 

[tsig]

It's a pity neuroclusterbrain does not use his neuro clusters, or his brain, to engage anyone in the thread. It's almost as if he's not even alive, just a collection of code that pastes from a URL.

I've been seeing an 'f' there.

 

[Donn]

Heh. Your neurons actually work.