Merged Near Death Experience Study

[Resume]

Wait and see

You don't have any memory of what you learned at school then ?

Do you understand the difference between rote memorization and your recollection of an anecdote related to you from a traumatized individual?

 

[Senex]

Some of these studies pay well. How much do they pay to participate in the near death experience study?

 

[mstricky]

Do you understand the difference between rote memorization and your recollection of an anecdote related to you from a traumatized individual?

Memory absorbs and files information whether it be anecdote or fact

 

[Resume]

Memory absorbs and files information whether it be anecdote or fact

http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/eyewitnessmemory.html

4. Memory is personal

Human memory does not exist so that an observer may accurately report previously seen events. The actual, physical events are merely grist for the mill of interpretation. Each witness extracts an interpretation that is meaningful in terms of his own beliefs, experiences and needs. Once the interpretation occurs, the events themselves become relatively unimportant. Moreover, since each person interprets the events in terms of his own world view, different eyewitnesses observing the same event may have different interpretations and different memories. To put it succinctly:


"We do not see what we sense. We see what we think we sense. Our consciousness is presented with an interpretation, not the raw data. Long after presentation, an unconscious information processing has discarded information, so that we see a simulation, a hypothesis, an interpretation; and we are not free to choose" (Norretranders, 1999).

http://www.academictips.org/memory/fallacy.html

While in education most people have to use their memories intensively - simply to remember facts and pass exams. When people leave full time education, they tend to cease to use their memory as actively, and so it starts to get flaccid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memory_biases
Have a read.

 

[mstricky]

http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/eyewitnessmemory.html


http://www.academictips.org/memory/fallacy.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memory_biases
Have a read.[/
Yes I can absorb, file all that info and repeat it in a decade or two

 

[turingtest]

I knew a man and his wife that had OBE when faced with a head on car crash. They told me they watched the actual impact from above and couldn't understand that at all. They watched as ambulances took them. They then couldn't recall anything until they woke up in hospital. Again this was in the seventies and unheard of.

It maybe that when OBE occurs, the concentration is on looking at your own body and not what is placed on top of a cupboard

Or maybe not, huh? Depending on which argument you need to answer (or maintain)...

 

[turingtest]

=mstricky;10222592]

http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/eyewitnessmemory.html


http://www.academictips.org/memory/fallacy.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memory_biases
Have a read.[/
Yes I can absorb, file all that info and repeat it in a decade or two

I can certainly remember back 15 minutes or so, when your original reply to Resume here was "you believe all that rubbish?" Why the change? Did you spot the obvious problem with it? (Not that this one's any better)

 

[mstricky]

Off topic

 

[Resume]

http://www.visualexpert.com/Resources/eyewitnessmemory.html


http://www.academictips.org/memory/fallacy.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memory_biases
Have a read.

Yes I can absorb, file all that info and repeat it in a decade or two

I don't think you've absorbed much of anything discussed in this thread. Other than your posts.

 

[mstricky]

I don't think you've absorbed much of anything discussed in this thread. Other than your posts.

I think you must be a psychic then

 

[Resume]

I think you must be a psychic then

No, observant. Like a cold reader.

 

[dlorde]

Yes I can absorb, file all that info and repeat it in a decade or two

As I just coincidentally mentioned in another thread, there is a difference between episodic (autobiographical) memory and semantic (facts, knowledge, etc.) memory. The former has been shown to be unexpectedly unreliable (to the extent that the value of eyewitness testimony in the legal system is under serious question).

 

[Fudbucker]

No. Not all resuscitation patients, all groups that have similar experiences. Limiting to resuscitation patients artificially restricts the test sample to a group that could have had a near death experience. That is confirmation bias. You need a control group for similar experiences to confirm that there are differences. In other words, he is claiming that the two groups are different but he has no evidence for it because he didn't bother doing a control test. With what is in his study, he has nothing.

What's more likely, three PhD's and a Doctor publish in one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the word, and they can't figure something as basic as setting up a proper study

or

Anonymous internet poster barehl doesn't know what he's talking about?

Hmmm......

Anyway, done with this thread. A true skeptic goes where the evidence leads, not where they want the evidence to lead.

 

[mstricky]

As I just coincidentally mentioned in another thread, there is a difference between episodic (autobiographical) memory and semantic (facts, knowledge, etc.) memory. The former has been shown to be unexpectedly unreliable (to the extent that the value of eyewitness testimony in the legal system is under serious question).

In this instance, I wasn't an eye witness. I asked the couple had they fully recovered from their injuries then, said a head on collision must be terrifying. They then told me about their experience which was only a couple of sentences as in my first post about it.
What they said was mind boggling and puzzling to me; as I have said, no one knew about ODE in those days, me included.
It was also a bit scary. They are two very intelligent people but ordinary; not dramatic or attention seekers. Nothing about the incident has been mentioned since.
Who are the experts that do these studies and do they test every individual in the world?

 

[Akhenaten]

In this instance, I wasn't an eye witness. I asked the couple had they fully recovered from their injuries then, said a head on collision must be terrifying. They then told me about their experience which was only a couple of sentences as in my first post about it.

Yeah, third-hand anecdotes are wonderful evidence.

What they said was mind boggling and puzzling to me; as I have said, no one knew about ODE in those days, me included.

Assuming that you mean OBE I'll just point out that people have been basing entire religions on it for more than 5,000 years.

It was also a bit scary. They are two very intelligent people but ordinary; not dramatic or attention seekers. Nothing about the incident has been mentioned since.

It has now.

Who are the experts that do these studies and do they test every individual in the world?

They're the Dream Police and yes, they get to us all eventually.

 

[mstricky]

Scientists and experts are becoming more laughable these days than cold readers. For years we were told that best butter is not good for us and that it causes high cholesterol levels. Recently they have announced that it is good for us, doesn't cause high cholesterol and that, that type of fat is vital to our bodies. One report was about coffee not being good for us but now it is.
When these latest reports come out in the newspapers, the comments below tell me that most people now take them with a pinch of salt...... oh that's now good for us apparently and does not cause high blood pressure.
Regarding religion being founded on OBEs, yes I can see that now but I have only recently come to that conclusion after reading the bible cover to cover a couple of times. But what you have said about that, must tell you that OBEs exist and have done for thousands of years.
Could they all have been lying?

 

[tsig]

Scientists and experts are becoming more laughable these days than cold readers. For years we were told that best butter is not good for us and that it causes high cholesterol levels. Recently they have announced that it is good for us, doesn't cause high cholesterol and that, that type of fat is vital to our bodies. One report was about coffee not being good for us but now it is.
When these latest reports come out in the newspapers, the comments below tell me that most people now take them with a pinch of salt...... oh that's now good for us apparently and does not cause high blood pressure.
Regarding religion being founded on OBEs, yes I can see that now but I have only recently come to that conclusion after reading the bible cover to cover a couple of times. But what you have said about that, must tell you that OBEs exist and have done for thousands of years.
Could they all have been lying?

Yes.

 

[Pixel42]

Yes.

They can also all be honestly mistaken.

I had never heard of sleep paralysis when I first experienced it, it was terrifying and I can understand why many of those who experience it reach for a paranormal explanation. But the fact remains that it is a well understood phenomenon, with a purely physiological cause. As are NDE/OBE experiences.

 

[mstricky]

They can also all be honestly mistaken.

I had never heard of sleep paralysis when I first experienced it, it was terrifying and I can understand why many of those who experience it reach for a paranormal explanation. But the fact remains that it is a well understood phenomenon, with a purely physiological cause. As are NDE/OBE experiences.

But how can one see oneself from above or across a room?
I too had a sleep paralysis experience

 

[trebor]

But what you have said about that, must tell you that OBEs exist and have done for thousands of years.

Yes, people have been having lots of varied hallucinations and delusions for thousands of years. And have found many interesting methods and chemicals which can induce them.
Because Human brains have not really changed all that much for thousands of years.