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Native American myths/traditions support Bigfoot? A critical look.

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Dreams_In_Digital said:
I'll have the video as soon as I'm out of hospital, don't you worry. :)
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It'd be best if they just put their vid on utube, it will be heavily scrutinized here. Things like: so which established tribal elder taught you these legends? and stuff like that. There may actually be some tidbits worth discussing and analyzing, particularly regarding their specific tribal legends.
Then again, if they were to attribute their bigfoot denial to a hereditary chief, or popular (voted, as my tribe does) chief, then that would have to be noted. A link providing email address to said chief would establish some authenticity, otherwise we'll just have another "georgia boys" video worth squat.
 
manofthesea said:
You asked. But that's a nice long winded attempt at obfuscation. Correa is yet to prove indians disbelieve bigfoot. He made the wild speculation, he can now back it up or remove it. But nice try.
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I don't know why you're referencing Correa to me. As you've known for at least sometime now, I'm not Correa and your exchange with him is irrelevant. I'm asking a very simple question about suggestions for a native band that would be best to approach and consult on the idea of traditions regarding Bigfoot. You don't seem very forthcoming with something that should be very easy of your contentions on the matter are true.
 
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manofthesea said:
I grew up in Washington. But you claimed the video is about legends. Not many fish, deer, and fox legends in the PNW.
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The Great Spirit Names the Animal People:
How Coyote Came by his Powers (Okanogan):

http://members.cox.net/academia/coyote.html

Featuring Coyote's brother Fox and some dude named Salmon. Does Okanogan not count?

I think I mentioned this before but how come big magnificent sasquatches get left out?
 
manofthesea said:
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So, what kind of hospital allows internet access, I wonder? ;) (snip)
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Many hospitals provide wi-fi access these days. The one I was briefly in for minor surgery last summer had wi-fi access through the PatientResource Suite, which I believe operates in a good many states:

PatientResource:)Suite™

The PatientResource:)Suite enables patients to continue with their daily life while in the hospital. The suite features the following functionality:

Internet Access Hospital room internet access available to patients through The PatientResource:)Suite lets patients tap into the many resources available on the Web.
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kitakaze said:
The Great Spirit Names the Animal People:
How Coyote Came by his Powers (Okanogan):

http://members.cox.net/academia/coyote.html

Featuring Coyote's brother Fox and some dude named Salmon. Does Okanogan not count?

I think I mentioned this before but how come big magnificent sasquatches get left out?
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Whoopee, you found one.

I think if you refer to the list you published on page one, you'll have to disagree with yourself.
 
But then 'stick indian', tsonoqua, baxbax, doesn't meet your definition of sasquatch, right? No mention in the legends of a 'look back' stroll, I guess.
 
kitakaze said:
I don't know why you're referencing Correa to me. As you've known for at least sometime now, I'm not Correa and your exchange with him is irrelevant. I'm asking a very simple question about suggestions for a native band that would be best to approach and consult on the idea of traditions regarding Bigfoot. You don't seem very forthcoming with something that should be very easy of your contentions on the matter are true.
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Maybe you should try PM'ng HairyMan if you truly desire to contact some tribes. But you won't.

I'm Athabascan Gwich'n, you know my tribes position. But I'll tell you again for the tenth time if you desire.
You also know the details of my encounter which happened in Washington. I'll tell that for the fourth if needed.
The point is, tribes in that particular area (Washington) are relevant to me.
You also know my position on the PGF (none) and it's related locale (none).

I'll spell it out for you. Contact the Colville tribes. They have the knowledge. I've referenced it numerous times.
Their contacts are in that pamphlet we've referenced numerous times. If you truly desire an official indian statement, that is the tribe I would respect. Or, you can try the Cherokees in Florida if you like, up to you.
 
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manofthesea said:
Maybe you should try PM'ng HairyMan if you truly desire to contact some tribes. But you won't.
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Done. I think you mentioned something about not posting anymore at BFF but I can't be bothered to check up on that. If you still do post there could you send her a PM there to let her know she has a PM here? Goes like this:

Question on Native Bands.
Hi Kathy,

I'm sure it's been ages since you stopped by. I had a question for Manofthesea in our native/bigfoot thread that he suggested I ask you, which seems like a good idea. Just disregard where it says MOTS.

MOTS, do you have any suggestion for a current established indigenous band with an internet presence that I can send a brief, politely worded, and non-leading e-mail regarding there position on the existence of Bigfoot and whether or not they have any traditions regarding the creature?

Thanks,

KK
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I'll address the rest of your post in a separate post.
 
manofthesea said:
I'm Athabascan Gwich'n, you know my tribes position. But I'll tell you again for the tenth time if you desire.
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I do desire, not for me as much as for people new to the thread. This is the tribe's postion as a whole, not just your grandmother or mother or whoever I can't recall right now?


You also know the details of my encounter which happened in Washington. I'll tell that for the fourth if needed.
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What does your delusion about being chased by Bigfoot have to do with this thread?

I'll spell it out for you. Contact the Colville tribes. They have the knowledge. I've referenced it numerous times.
Their contacts are in that pamphlet we've referenced numerous times. If you truly desire an official indian statement, that is the tribe I would respect. Or, you can try the Cherokees in Florida if you like, up to you.
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Haven't we already established that Bigfoot is regarded by the Colvilles as Cain, firstborn son of Adam and Eve?

Also, why do you suggest Cherokees in Florida?
 
kitakaze said:
Done. I think you mentioned something about not posting anymore at BFF but I can't be bothered to check up on that. If you still do post there could you send her a PM there to let her know she has a PM here? Goes like this:

I'll address the rest of your post in a separate post.
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It's that little honor thing. I'm sure you wouldn't have noticed. But no, you'll have to have Drew or Ray do it. They post at BFF daily.
 
kitakaze said:
I do desire, not for me as much as for people new to the thread. This is the tribe's postion as a whole, not just your grandmother or mother or whoever I can't recall right now?


What does your delusion about being chased by Bigfoot have to do with this thread?

Haven't we already established that Bigfoot is regarded by the Colvilles as Cain, firstborn son of Adam and Eve?

Also, why do you suggest Cherokees in Florida?
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Well, both my mother and grandmother (deceased) are most highly respected elders. Doyon, Ltd. Woods/Evans clan.

Some of the Colvilles attributed bigfoot to Cain, probably being that was the scientific consensus at that time. (Remember the great geophysicist who was looking for the hollow earth only 60 years ago, I posted a picture of him) Remember, your father of anthropology didn't come along until recently. However, if you would care to read any of Elkanah Walker and the ten years he actually spent with the Colvilles, you may actually learn something factual. (I bet it's physically painful for you to even consider)

As far as Cherokees, I've seen it repeated countless times here at JREF that bigfoot has been reported in all 49 north american states. (that darned filtration thing)
 
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If you'd like to converse with some real live indians. Go to americanindianforums.com.

*Disclaimer---They are not the kind of indians that you're used to. They're the real thing. I'm really polite, comparatively.

I'm manofthesea there, and I got into it with a regular there, and now I'm on hiatus, voluntarily. It wasn't bigfoot related. But go ahead, knock yourself out. I posted my encounter there also. In the welcome thread.
I'm new there, and not friends with any of them. There's no Alaska Natives anyway.
 
Kit, I should be albe to hook you up with any Colville council member you wish. I grew up in Omak (a Colville name) which is on the other side of the river from the reservation. I have many Colville friends and my brother-in-law is a tribe member.

Do you wish to communicate with the entire council or just the chief?
 
GT/CS said:
Kit, I should be albe to hook you up with any Colville council member you wish. I grew up in Omak (a Colville name) which is on the other side of the river from the reservation. I have many Colville friends and my brother-in-law is a tribe member.

Do you wish to communicate with the entire council or just the chief?
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Thanks, GT. It doesn't have to be from me personally. If your brother-in-law is a tribe member tell him something along the lines that you are involved in an online discussion regarding what people refer to as Bigfoot or sasquatch and whether or not indigenous groups have myths and traditions regarding that. See if he might be able to get a comment from the chief or maybe some council members. If they indicate that there are than maybe your BIL could get some clarification such as singular entity/multiple creatures, spiritual being/flesh and blood. I'm not sure about broaching the Cain thing or just asking about it if it comes up. That would seem like a good start though.
 
Kathy Strain AKA Hairy Man has just responded to my mail and was kind enough to give me a few leads to follow. She also informed that there is a recent Monster Quest episode on the subject that she was on. Wow, I'm really behind. When I can follow those up in the next week or so I'll keep everyone posted.
 
manofthesea said:
I remember what I wrote.

Here, it's like this. Remember when skeptics here were challenging Historian's invisible bigfoot to a fight? It's like that, but different. I was also referring to a "make believe" situation by dismissing native denialists.
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Oh, so it was just "make believe".

manofthesea said:
Now, either prove that indians disbelieve bigfoot or remove your wild speculation. You won't though, right?
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Oh, trying to shift the burden of proof?

First prove all Native Americans believe in bigfoot. Do you really think they do?
Please back your claim regarding a certain Captain Cooke having seen giant man-beasts at Patagonia.
Can you?
Will you?

MOTS, post something really worthy of discussion and I will discuss. Anything else will be ignored.
 
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