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Native American myths/traditions support Bigfoot? A critical look.

manofthesea said:
I got one. What's in the forest, whoops, yells, and makes long howls?

No cherry picking allowed. Must meet all above criteria.
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I know Ray beat me to an irresistible MOTS setup but hey, mine comes with this pretty picture:



Moneymaker, Moneymaker, MONEYMAKER!!!
 
manofthesea said:
Spare us the nostalgia. But on the subject of comprehension, Drew used the 1607 captain as reference in indian farming practices. But not just on a hilltop in Colorado either. Comprende?
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If we were to "spare the nostalgia", then we should not be discussing myths.

Drew wrote about a Captain Cooke who in 1607 described giant men-beasts in Patagonia and Native American farming practices? Link, please.

BTW, I strongly suggest you to inform yourself better before posting on any subject. Understand?

manofthesea said:
I got one. What's in the forest, whoops, yells, and makes long howls?

No cherry picking allowed. Must meet all above criteria.
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Besides the odd call-blasting footer (as previously demonstrated by RayG and Kitakaze) owls, wolves, elk, moose, buzzards, crows and other real animals. Oh, add to this hunters trying to lure prey, some pranksters around camps and quite possibly hoaxers some BFRO expedition$. No, bigfeet are not on the list. Immaginary animals can only make immaginary noises.
 
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Correa Neto said:
BTW, I strongly suggest you to inform yourself better before posting on any subject. Understand?
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Ugh, that sounds like it involves links.



Besides the odd call-blasting footer (as previously demonstrated by RayG and Kitakaze) owls, wolves, elk, moose, buzzards, crows and other real animals. Oh, add to this hunters trying to lure prey, some pranksters around camps and quite possibly hoaxers some BFRO expedition$. No, bigfeet are not on the list. Immaginary animals can only make immaginary noises.
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Barring imaginary animals it's interesting to consider which specific animals get most confused with Bigfoot. Keep in mind of course that most of the dopes misinterpreting known animal calls as Bigfoot don't need a whole lot to think they heard Bigfoot. I would hazard a guess that coyotes, elk, and owls would be at the top.

Here's a BFF thread on discredited Bigfoot vocalizations:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=14687

Yes, Bigfoots a very elusive creatures and rare with huge ranges. To this extent it is key for them to communicate over great distances by vocalizing. They do however sound very often like coyotes, elk, owls, etc. so this has not proven a reliable method of tracking them. Interestingly enough it seems to work fine for coyotes, elk, and owls. Go figure.:boggled:
 
Correa Neto said:
Drew wrote about a Captain Cooke who in 1607 described giant men-beasts in Patagonia and Native American farming practices? Link, please.

BTW, I strongly suggest you to inform yourself better before posting on any subject. Understand?
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Drew wrote about a 1607 captain. Got it? It's just a few posts back.

Please don't inform yourself, your ignorance is quite entertaining.
 
Correa Neto said:
Link, please.

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Please don't ask for links anymore. It's insulting. You made the bold statement that you (helped) make numerous costumes for Carnivale, yet when challenged, you refused to provide proof.

Typical proof of a Pseudoskeptic.
 
manofthesea said:
Please don't ask for links anymore. It's insulting. You made the bold statement that you (helped) make numerous costumes for Carnivale, yet when challenged, you refused to provide proof.

Typical proof of a Pseudoskeptic.
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MOTS, instead the usual whining and feeble evasion/obfuscation attempts, you should try to back your claims if you want to be taken seriously. By now, it should be clear for you that I don't take you and your claims seriously. I just can't, given your behavior. It must also be clear that I ignore diversions, obfuscations and ad homs.

Once again I will tell you that no ammount of evasion, obfuscation, whining and ad homs can hide the fact that you fail to back your claims (including your false claims about us). But be my guest and feel free to keep making the lives of skeptics easy by refusing to inform yourself and continuing to use such flawed debate tactics. Note that actually there's nothing to debate, given the (lack of) content of your posts. Your behavior, in case you haven't noticed yet, only harms your cause.

If you want to be taken seriously, you can start by trying to back this last claim of yours:
-A certain captain Cooke saw giant man beasts at Patagonia.

You must also expose the reasons why you consider yourself with enough knoweledge and authority not only to dismiss the opinion of Native Americans who think bigfeet are a myth but also to adulterate their statements.
 
Correa Neto said:
Now, tell us why you consider yourself with enough knoweledge and authority not only to dismiss the opinion of Native Americans who think bigfeet are a myth but also to adulterate their statements.
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Do you have proof that specific tribes, specifically from the PNW, including Northern Cal., dismiss bigfoot wholly as a myth? If so, prove it.

Or, are you presupposing, as fact, the statement DID presented? In that case, the only group using convenient information would be skeptics.
 
You tell me. Remember the answer you wrote to Dreams in Digital's post?

manofthesea said:
Yes, please do. I'll take the recording and dub 'bigfoot' whenever they say coyote or something.

Really, that's what they deserve for being native denialists. That's like an Italian telling you that the Tower of Pisa doesn't lean.
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Again, please explain why you consider yourself with enough knoweledge and authority not only to dismiss the opinion of Native Americans who think bigfeet are a myth but also to adulterate their statements.
 
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Correa Neto said:
You tell me. Remember the answer you wrote to Dreams in Digital's post?



Again, please explain why you consider yourself with enough knoweledge and authority not only to dismiss the opinion of Native Americans who think bigfeet are a myth but also to adulterate their statements.
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I remember what I wrote.

Here, it's like this. Remember when skeptics here were challenging Historian's invisible bigfoot to a fight? It's like that, but different. I was also referring to a "make believe" situation by dismissing native denialists.

Now, either prove that indians disbelieve bigfoot or remove your wild speculation. You won't though, right?
 
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Or you could look at it from a Pseudoskeptic's view:

Take the tape of those two indian guys, call it "Bill and Ted's Excellent Indian Aventure and Bigfoot Denial".
Start a webpage or something and use it as reference when dealing with native myths.
 
manofthesea said:
Now, either prove that indians disbelieve bigfoot or remove your wild speculation. You won't though, right?
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MOTS, do you have any suggestion for a current established indigenous band with an internet presence that I can send a brief, politely worded, and non-leading e-mail regarding there position on the existence of Bigfoot and whether or not they have any traditions regarding the creature?
 
kitakaze said:
MOTS, do you have any suggestion for a current established indigenous band with an internet presence that I can send a brief, politely worded, and non-leading e-mail regarding there position on the existence of Bigfoot and whether or not they have any traditions regarding the creature?
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Try the NALDF. They'd provide the most definitive and up to date 'legal speak' answer you desire. I'll go with what they say.

However, if you'd like an answer from a current tribe member who resides on historic tribal lands in the PNW, try PM the guy in the native myth thread at BFF. He'll probably tell you personally, via internet. Or you could just read his posts (again).
 
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manofthesea said:
Try the NALDF. They'd provide the most definitive and up to date 'legal speak' answer you desire. I'll go with what they say.

However, if you'd like an answer from a current tribe member who resides on historic tribal lands in the PNW, try PM the guy in the native myth thread at BFF. He'll probably tell you personally, via internet. Or you could just read his posts (again).
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Sorry, not looking for some dude in a tribe. What would that serve? We've already had more native people here saying the opposite of him. I'm talking about the collective position of the tribe. If they have traditions regarding Bigfoot then I see no reason why they would shy talking about those traditions. And please don't try the fear of ridicule garbage. What we've been establishing here is that Bigfoot is a white North American creation.
 
manofthesea said:
Yes, please do. I'll take the recording and dub 'bigfoot' whenever they say coyote or something.

Really, that's what they deserve for being native denialists. That's like an Italian telling you that the Tower of Pisa doesn't lean.
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Coyotes aren't big up here, we live in the Pacific North West so it's mostly foxes, deer, fish, bears, things like that.

I'll have the video as soon as I'm out of hospital, don't you worry. :)
 
kitakaze said:
Sorry, not looking for some dude in a tribe. What would that serve? We've already had more native people here saying the opposite of him. I'm talking about the collective position of the tribe. If they have traditions regarding Bigfoot then I see no reason why they would shy talking about those traditions. And please don't try the fear of ridicule garbage. What we've been establishing here is that Bigfoot is a white North American creation.
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You asked. But that's a nice long winded attempt at obfuscation. Correa is yet to prove indians disbelieve bigfoot. He made the wild speculation, he can now back it up or remove it. But nice try.
 
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Dreams_In_Digital said:
Coyotes aren't big up here, we live in the Pacific North West so it's mostly foxes, deer, fish, bears, things like that.

I'll have the video as soon as I'm out of hospital, don't you worry. :)
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I grew up in Washington. But you claimed the video is about legends. Not many fish, deer, and fox legends in the PNW.

So, what kind of hospital allows internet access, I wonder? ;) (I've been recently warned again, I was gonna ask if some of the regulars here are some of your ward mates)
 
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