My experience with telekinesis

[SezMe]

I've noticed in this thread many claims this can be explained conventionally. I don't doubt it, but I notice that there seem to be precious few posts that actually go into detail about what those conventional explanations may be. For example, someone here mentioned self-delusion, but gave no examples of just how they could be deluded. And other posts are just worthless mockery. I thought this would be a little more "educational" a forum given its name.

As noted up thread, there is no basis for looking for explanations for a phenomenon (or ability) that has not been shown to exist. Such an effort would be worthless handwaving, which is not consistent with the "educational" element here.

There HAVE been posts suggesting that the OP regain the capability then make a video. If that happens, then we can begin to formulate a strict testing protocol. If THAT test is passed successfully, then - and only then - would it be appropriate to look for detailed explanations.

Shorter version: First things first.

 

[randman]

For and to the author of this thread, try exploring spiritual gifts in align with what the Bible says. Moving a pen may be cool. Seeing someone severely afflicted and having compassion on them and then they being healed miraculously is much cooler.

Seek and ye shall find.

Maybe you have some potential there in faith. Combine compassion, love, the Holy Spirit and spiritual mechanics He can teach you, and you just might see a whole lot of interesting things happen. Just remember they happen much better for you and others if you maintain the motive of love and compassion and not simply power and personal enjoyment, and it is fun so it's easy to forget the right motive.

But it comes with suffering and that teaches you that though fun, comes with a dear price and the love keeps you straight.

Be blessed!

 

[Learjet]

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There are the phenomena of hypnogogic and hypnopompic hallucinations, where basically you are dreaming but also able to look at the real world....

I would say this is the most likely explanation to what is happening. Starring at an object in a relaxed state for extended periods can easily shift a person's brain wave pattern into the hypnagogic state. You start to hallucinate and it looks real.

I used to do this for a hobby some years ago as part of meditation. It's not really happening, only in your mind. A video camera should easily settle the question.

 

[Mister Earl]

For and to the author of this thread, try exploring spiritual gifts in align with what the Bible says.

Like the gifts given in numbers five by a priest that cause a woman to suffer a miscarriage? Commonly called an abortion?

 

[Elizabeth I]

Yea I know, I just kind of - recollected some memories and told them as if I were with a bunch of people or I don't know. I guess I get kind of excited talking about this stuff! But when it comes to making arguments or discussing things I'm a little more analytic - only because I've tried convincing myself all the things I saw, heard and read were fake and I've tried investigating different theories on why this stuff happens (does it?) (quantum?).

No. Not quantum.

 

[mike3]

As noted up thread, there is no basis for looking for explanations for a phenomenon (or ability) that has not been shown to exist. Such an effort would be worthless handwaving, which is not consistent with the "educational" element here.

There HAVE been posts suggesting that the OP regain the capability then make a video. If that happens, then we can begin to formulate a strict testing protocol. If THAT test is passed successfully, then - and only then - would it be appropriate to look for detailed explanations.

Shorter version: First things first.

I was referring to explanations of the claims in terms of known phenomena. I.e. that there is no unknown phenomenon present, and the claim that it is present is wrong, and what I'm wondering about is precisely how it's wrog, or may be wrong. E.g. one person mentioned psychological explanations -- self-deception. I was curious about just how that might apply here, i.e. just how is he deceiving himself.

 

[mike3]

I might have made a bad joke, but it's not intended to mock the person who started the thread. I've had my fair share of odd experiences (including a fair number of hallucinations).
I would point out there's more to the E in the JREF than just explaining away every odd thing that comes along. Surely the more important and more robust thing to take away is in the process of finding the truth, not the solution, and finding out if something is physically real even if (as seems likely) one doesn't get a proper definitive answer for what happened.

What do you mean by finding the "truth" but _not_ the "solution"? And as for the "mocking" thing, I wasn't referring to your (or anyone's) posts _specifically_.

 

[kerikiwi]

For and to the author of this thread, try exploring spiritual gifts in align with what the Bible says. Moving a pen may be cool. Seeing someone severely afflicted and having compassion on them and then they being healed miraculously is much cooler.

Seek and ye shall find.

Maybe you have some potential there in faith. Combine compassion, love, the Holy Spirit and spiritual mechanics He can teach you, and you just might see a whole lot of interesting things happen. Just remember they happen much better for you and others if you maintain the motive of love and compassion and not simply power and personal enjoyment, and it is fun so it's easy to forget the right motive.

But it comes with suffering and that teaches you that though fun, comes with a dear price and the love keeps you straight.

Be blessed!

Certainly moving a pen would be cool and so would miraculous healing. There is absolutely no evidence that either has ever happened.
Really? Seek and ye shall find? Tripe.
What is the holy spirit and what are spiritual mechanics?

 

[Donn]

For and to the author of this thread, try exploring spiritual gifts in align with what the Bible says. .. [cut]

Was that a poe?





Hoping so.

 

[edd]

What do you mean by finding the "truth" but _not_ the "solution"? And as for the "mocking" thing, I wasn't referring to your (or anyone's) posts _specifically_.

I mean "the process of finding the truth" versus "the solution" (or equally the truth itself). One is a one-off answer to a problem, the other answers problems generally and avoids such pitfalls as thinking that next time you come across a weird experience it must have the same solution, and if it doesn't it really is something paranormal.

 

[Kuko 4000]

I think it's a good idea to start from a simple, well thought out video demonstration. In fact, these days the JREF itself encourages video demonstrations as a good first step. Get busy!

 

[I Ratant]

I would say this is the most likely explanation to what is happening. Starring at an object in a relaxed state for extended periods can easily shift a person's brain wave pattern into the hypnagogic state. You start to hallucinate and it looks real.

I used to do this for a hobby some years ago as part of meditation. It's not really happening, only in your mind. A video camera should easily settle the question.

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I did that at least once and got an OBE.
Attempts since to duplicate that haven't gotten anywhere, other than lowering the pulse rate.

 

[Donn]

Order of the British Empire?
Guess it's Sir Ratant now.

 

[bluesjnr]

Order of the British Empire?
Guess it's Sir Ratant now.

There's a fair bit of space between an OBE and a Knighthood. Mr Ratant or "Oi you" will do for now

 

[I Ratant]

Septics, ya gotta luv'em... it's a law.
Out of Body Experience.

 

[Aoidoi]

As casinos disprove psychics, vending machines disprove telekinetics.

 

[Mister Earl]

As casinos disprove psychics, vending machines disprove telekinetics.

LOL! Also, nominated

 

[Halfcentaur]

I don't understand why it was necessary to mention the masturbating parts. Most people masturbate every day or so, but you don't see them casually mentioning it in their stories with public addresses. I'm not offended, I just find it a bit unusual. I'm going to the store now, and I don't plan on masturbating at this time.

 

[mike3]

I mean "the process of finding the truth" versus "the solution" (or equally the truth itself). One is a one-off answer to a problem, the other answers problems generally and avoids such pitfalls as thinking that next time you come across a weird experience it must have the same solution, and if it doesn't it really is something paranormal.

Ahh. That makes more sense. But what is the general "process" when it comes to funny things like this one? And also is there a drift here suggesting in some cases one may just have to say "I don't know what it was" as opposed to jumping off and claiming "Aha! Paranormal!" (or anything else, for that matter)?

 

[JJM 777]

It's fascinating stuff this telekinesis.
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I got to the end of the first page then I had to stop and think it over.

Are you still stuck on the first page? If not, we require some video evidence. Indoors and windows closed, we know these tricks.

I don't understand why it was necessary to mention the masturbating parts. Most people masturbate every day or so, but you don't see them casually mentioning it in their stories

Actually he doesn´t mention it as something "casual". He explains that whacking off is against his religious norms, and he would like to have the willpower not to do it, but he doesn´t have it. "I proceeded to masturbate" means "I failed again to be the saint I wannabe". It might be useful to discuss the reasonability of the given standard of sainthood, maybe this attempted standard of sainthood is a problem in itself, not the failure to meet it.