Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[Craig4]

You have no evidence telling all these above did not exist, nor they are impossible. In addition they are all consistent with all known strong evidence. They are possible, they are consistent with known evidence, that means they existed and the attacks were made in that manner.

By your side, you can continue to ask questions for evidence while you have no evidence for the presence of 19 hijackers which is also not consistent with the known strong evidence.

Continue to support the foolish official story, to cover up the truth, to support the actual perpetrators (200 members of "Israeli Spy (Criminal) Ring"), you are just becoming complicit with them.

Bye ...

Funny. No, seriously where's the evidence?

 

[Craig4]

More proof that religion isn't the opiate of the masses, it's the PCP.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints, Meh is still being an idiot?

It's obvious he's not here to learn anything, so I suggest another alternative: Ban him!

 

[oody]

oops

 

[oody]

Funny. No, seriously where's the evidence?

I believe his evidence consists of:
4 times marking the beginnings of each "normal flight"
4 times marking the beginnings of each "deviated flight"
4 times marking the moment of each impact.

I think no one really cares to dispute the existence and accuracy these 12 bits of "evidence." His position that their sequence as graphed into a timeline implies the impossibility of any conclusion other than Mossad having had a single point of control, well,

 

[mehmetin]

mehmetin, a few questions for you:

1. Did you forget to factor in landings and how they might affect takeoffs?

John,

I promised to consider the landings in the account. I took the time and made that graphic. Here it is. In fact, some landings are added to the graphic between 8:00 and 8:30.

I also made some research to know the average time between two take offs and landings, the average actual time gap is about 35 seconds between two aircrafts. Let's take some gap and consider 45 seconds between two planes.

Between 8:00 and 8:30 it was possible to land and take off 40 aircrafts. Within that time there was 29 aircrafts, and UA93 was one of the first ones.

That means there was no reason to push UA93 after the 15 planes which took off between 8:10 and 8:42. And that means UA93 was delayed to make possible its control by the team who was controlling the planes.

 

[DGM]

John,

I promised to consider the landings in the account. I took the time and made that graphic. Here it is. In fact, some landings are added to the graphic between 8:00 and 8:30.

I also made some research to know the average time between two take offs and landings, the average actual time gap is about 35 seconds between two aircrafts. Let's take some gap and consider 45 seconds between two planes.

Between 8:00 and 8:30 it was possible to land and take off 40 aircrafts. Within that time there was 29 aircrafts, and UA93 was one of the first ones.

That means there was no reason to push UA93 after the 15 planes which took off between 8:10 and 8:42. And that means UA93 was delayed to make possible its control by the team who was controlling the planes.

[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Newark_takeoffs_landings.jpg[/qimg]

What is the minimum separation for that area? You do know this and took it into consideration?

 

[mehmetin]

What is the minimum separation for that area? You do know this and took it into consideration?

If you have information to give, feel free to give it. If not, find it yourself.

My calculation is simple, if they plan to take off 14 planes within 5 minutes from 7:00 to 7:05, that means they plan to leave 22 seconds between two planes. Ok, I imagine they spread the take offs and they use more time than 5 minutes here. Finally 45 seconds time gap is reasonable; it's two times 22 seconds.

The question is simple: Why they inserted the 15 planes that took off from 8:10 to 8:40 before UA93 which was ready at 8:00! That question is not answered yet. You should ask it to the officials, the national commission, FEMA and NORAD. Their answer of heavy traffic is not reasonable.

 

[DGM]

Their answer of heavy traffic is not reasonable.

And it has been shown that this is your opinion based on..............well........

 

[DGM]

If you have information to give, feel free to give it. If not, find it yourself.

My calculation is simple, if they plan to take off 14 planes within 5 minutes from 7:00 to 7:05, that means they plan to leave 22 seconds between two planes. Ok, I imagine they spread the take offs and they use more time than 5 minutes here. Finally 45 seconds time gap is reasonable; it's two times 22 seconds.

The question is simple: Why they inserted the 15 planes that took off from 8:10 to 8:40 before UA93 which was ready at 8:00! That question is not answered yet. You should ask it to the officials, the national commission, FEMA and NORAD. Their answer of heavy traffic is not reasonable.

I doubt you'll read this but.......

http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/ATC/atc0309.html

Try 3 minutes for two planes already on the same runway (not including taxi from "hold short" to take-off position).

So now, how many runways were in use and what's the separation required between ALL the planes in the area around the airport. (including other airports) (they call this "traffic")

 

[beachnut]

If you have information to give, feel free to give it. If not, find it yourself.

My calculation is simple, if they plan to take off 14 planes within 5 minutes from 7:00 to 7:05, that means they plan to leave 22 seconds between two planes. Ok, I imagine they spread the take offs and they use more time than 5 minutes here. Finally 45 seconds time gap is reasonable; it's two times 22 seconds.

The question is simple: Why they inserted the 15 planes that took off from 8:10 to 8:40 before UA93 which was ready at 8:00! That question is not answered yet. You should ask it to the officials, the national commission, FEMA and NORAD. Their answer of heavy traffic is not reasonable.

I agree, my plane should always be first and in the USAF we would cut line by taking another runway before anyone else did. We beat 10 planes.

You are on to something now. When will your massive pile of evidence be on 60 minutes, or 20/20? Go for it!

 

[Sideroxylon]

If you have information to give, feel free to give it. If not, find it yourself.

You are big on making up convoluted stories to hide the painful fact that Muslims were responsible for this crime, aren't you. Unfortunately you are not very good at researching actually evidence to support your wild claims. Additionally you demonstrate a lack of intellectual honesty by not considering the ways in which you might be wrong and exploring these possibilities.

Removed the lies about being a scientist from your presentation yet?

 

[Oystein]

I doubt you'll read this but.......

http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/ATC/atc0309.html

Try 3 minutes for two planes already on the same runway (not including taxi from "hold short" to take-off position).

So now, how many runways were in use and what's the separation required between ALL the planes in the area around the airport. (including other airports) (they call this "traffic")

We knew already that airport procedures are among the many things mehmetin knows absolutely nothing about.

FIG 3-9-4 explains that separation on same runway is 2 minutes when preceding plane is a heavy jet, such as a 757. If the following plane is small, it's 3 minutes (read the text that follows); if the preceding plane is not a heavy jet, it's 6000ft - whatever time interval that works out to (read the text before)

 

[Oystein]

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I also made some research to know the average time between two take offs and landings, the average actual time gap is about 35 seconds between two aircrafts. Let's take some gap and consider 45 seconds between two planes.

You will understand that we can't just take your word on this. Given the fact that Newark mostly serves non-small planes and that standard separation is 2 minutes for one runway, intersecting runways and runways closer than 2500ft to one another, your values would imply that they had 3 or 4 parallel runways >2500 from one another. This isn't the case. Newark has two major runways separated by about 800 ft only, and a smaller runway that intersects both the others. Therefore, I'd be surprised to see much more than 30 takeoffs or landings per hour.

Between 8:00 and 8:30 it was possible to land and take off 40 aircrafts. Within that time there was 29 aircrafts, and UA93 was one of the first ones.

See below: assuming an average separation of 92 rather than 45 seconds, , it was possible to land and takeoff 20 planes

That means there was no reason to push UA93 after the 15 planes which took off between 8:10 and 8:42. And that means UA93 was delayed to make possible its control by the team who was controlling the planes.

The intervall 8:00 - 8:30 had 29 planes - 9 more than the airport coukd handle. That would have resulted in a delay of 14 minutes.
The half hour before that, 7:30-8:00, had 19 planes - about full capacity.
Between 7:00 and 7:30 there were 25 planes - 5 above capacity, or a delay of 8 minutes, that could not be made up during the following half hour.

mehmetin, your data, assuming it is correct to start with, suggests that UA93 had reason for a delay of at least 20 minutes, just counting planes. In reality, there could be factors we don't know about:
- were they already behind schedule at 7:00?
- Were there more large jets durung that time frame than earlier or later that morning?

I manually count 156 takeoffs/landings during 4 hours , or about 40 per hour. Average separation would be 1 minute 32 seconds, not 35 seconds as you said.

What do the time values reefer to - actual takeoff/touch down? Or scheduled? Because 14 takeoffs in the 5 minutes between 7:00 and 7:05, that's one plane every 21 seconds, is of course unreal.

 

[Justin39640]

John,

I promised to consider the landings in the account. I took the time and made that graphic. Here it is. In fact, some landings are added to the graphic between 8:00 and 8:30.

I also made some research to know the average time between two take offs and landings, the average actual time gap is about 35 seconds between two aircrafts. Let's take some gap and consider 45 seconds between two planes.

Between 8:00 and 8:30 it was possible to land and take off 40 aircrafts. Within that time there was 29 aircrafts, and UA93 was one of the first ones.

That means there was no reason to push UA93 after the 15 planes which took off between 8:10 and 8:42. And that means UA93 was delayed to make possible its control by the team who was controlling the planes.

[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Newark_takeoffs_landings.jpg[/qimg]

Delays at Newark Liberty are not new.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6997700&postcount=1338
You may trick people who have never been there but to those of us who have, you really look foolish. Just stop it.

 

[mehmetin]

You will understand that we can't just take your word on this. Given the fact that Newark mostly serves non-small planes and that standard separation is 2 minutes for one runway, intersecting runways and runways closer than 2500ft to one another, your values would imply that they had 3 or 4 parallel runways >2500 from one another. This isn't the case. Newark has two major runways separated by about 800 ft only, and a smaller runway that intersects both the others. Therefore, I'd be surprised to see much more than 30 takeoffs or landings per hour.

I manually count 156 takeoffs/landings during 4 hours , or about 40 per hour. Average separation would be 1 minute 32 seconds, not 35 seconds as you said.

The actual numbers between 6:00 and 10:00 are 32, 44, 42 and 40 takeoffs/landings per hour fro each hour. These numbers are made with some security gap. Considering your 40 take offs, that means 1 minute 32 (as you said) is an actual average time. All the planes are not regularly separated, so some delays are smaller than 1m32s. That means they can get more than 40 departures per hour.

Finally, there is no explanation why UA93 was delayed after 15 planes that took off between 8:10 and 8:40; all those planes should take off after UA93. Even if some of them were moved before, there is no explanation why all were moved before.

 

[beachnut]

The actual numbers between 6:00 and 10:00 are 32, 44, 42 and 40 takeoffs/landings per hour fro each hour. These numbers are made with some security gap. Considering your 40 take offs, that means 1 minute 32 (as you said) is an actual average time. All the planes are not regularly separated, so some delays are smaller than 1m32s. That means they can get more than 40 departures per hour.

Finally, there is no explanation why UA93 was delayed after 15 planes that took off between 8:10 and 8:40; all those planes should take off after UA93. Even if some of them were moved before, there is no explanation why all were moved before.

No true. You don't know how ATC works, better study up, maybe you can correct the 100 plus idiotic errors in your presentation.

 

[Oystein]

The actual numbers between 6:00 and 10:00 are 32, 44, 42 and 40 takeoffs/landings per hour fro each hour. These numbers are made with some security gap. Considering your 40 take offs, that means 1 minute 32 (as you said) is an actual average time. All the planes are not regularly separated, so some delays are smaller than 1m32s. That means they can get more than 40 departures per hour.

Finally, there is no explanation why UA93 was delayed after 15 planes that took off between 8:10 and 8:40; all those planes should take off after UA93. Even if some of them were moved before, there is no explanation why all were moved before.

And not the 35 seconds that your research came upo with.
If all your research is of this quality, it is no wonder why you get everything wrong.

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

Remote Control of Cabin Pressure Outflow Valve and FMS

Thanks for your input. During longtime I thought what happened to the Pilots? First I thought that the control system can use non-reversible gear box making the pilots unable to stop or move the automatic movement of flight controls. But if pilots remain alive, they'll make every possible think to crash the plane into the ground, stop the engines, stop other systems, ... Then arrive the solution: the pilots should be killed.

How to kill the pilots? By gassing the interior of the plane and that kills everybody.

Yes, I agree. Easier than putting gas in, is to take gas (breathable air) out. Remote Control of the Cabin Air Pressure Outflow Valve (CAPOV) could do that. The air would naturally and rapidly rush out above 30000 feet, suffocating and freezing the occupants. Then RC of the Flight Management System (FMS) could fly the planes into the buildings with greater speed and accuracy than humans - and without human hesitation.

The succession of the hijack proves that one team made the hijacks! No Muslims were involved.

Can you please explain this, or point me to a previous post?

 

[beachnut]

Yes, I agree. Easier than putting gas in, is to take gas (breathable air) out. Remote Control of the Cabin Air Pressure Outflow Valve (CAPOV) could do that. The air would naturally and rapidly rush out above 30000 feet, suffocating and freezing the occupants. Then RC of the Flight Management System (FMS) could fly the planes into the buildings with greater speed and accuracy than humans - and without human hesitation.

Can you please explain this, or point me to a previous post?

SPAM - proved wrong by phone company, and FDR.

Point you? lol, you don't do your own research?