Musk vs Trump

Which one will the MAGA supporters try to assassinate first?

  • Trump

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Musk

    Votes: 23 82.1%

  • Total voters
    28
I'm just waiting for the Chinese "Communist" government to invent a reason to take over the Tesla manufacturing plant in Shanghai. The way world trade is being overturned, I would guess that it will be sometime next month
As someone wrote the CCP has retained the totalrians power of government of classic Communism, but dropped everything else.
Not that even when it was a "real" Communist Party, the CCP were good guys. It managed to kill off tens of millions of CHinese in the late 50's and early 60's during the catastrophe of the "Great Leap Forward".
 
Mixed singnals from Trump: he did the Tesla bit, but on the same day seemed to try to rein in Musk's power a bit more.
ANd musk's Social Security statment went onver like a lead balloon wthe Reublicans looking to be reelected
Musk will become the Overmighty Subject in Trump's eyes eventually, and will be dealt with. Just a question of when.
 
Mixed singnals from Trump: he did the Tesla bit, but on the same day seemed to try to rein in Musk's power a bit more.
ANd musk's Social Security statment went onver like a lead balloon wthe Reublicans looking to be reelected
Musk will become the Overmighty Subject in Trump's eyes eventually, and will be dealt with. Just a question of when.
Sorry, but do you have any evidence of your second sentence? All I've seen is Republicans shoegazing or fawning over Trump and Musk.
 
That's it. He's very good at gaming financial and corporate systems, a trait altogether common in West Coast business and politics. That takes some seed money, but mostly it takes a lot of bluff, bluster, and bullying. With patience, you can work your way up that ladder without actually being good at anything else.


Elon Musk is not a genius at anything except gaming systems to acquire wealth and power. He's not a brilliant scientist or engineer. He's not even a competent player of video games. But his obsessive need to be seen as all that is what makes him so very dangerous. Once he acquires enough wealth and power to compel belief in his supposed genius, these massive mistakes he's making (and that, frankly, he's been making all along) will start to engulf innocent people who have no choice. "Oops, I mistakenly fired the people who guard our nuclear weapons? Hm, I guess that means Philadelphia is going to get nuked. My bad, but I'm still a genius."

I feel little sympathy for anyone who voluntarily allies with Elon Musk. They are free agents who have ostensibly weighed the options and made their choices. And they can leave at any time, cut their losses, and move on if things go sour. But when people are suddenly compelled to obey him or endure the consequences of his bad decision-making, those people deserve sympathy and justice. From the Oval Office he said he will say and do things that are wrong, and that he should be corrected when that happens. But someone with a delusional picture of his own importance and genius cannot be told any such thing, and often suffer greatly when the attempt is made. We don't need someone with an inflated sense of his own intellect to move fast and break things and brush off the breakage. We need people who move slowly and carefully and understand that for the sake of others, some things must not be allowed to break.

As we note with conspiracy theorists etc. here, the goal is often for them to create a world in which they are geniuses, superheroes, or whatever. And in that little bubble of self-delusion fueled by conspiracy theories, whatever little knowledge or skill they possess is all that's ever needed to address the issue at hand. These conspiracy theorists then engage with the real world, either to see how much of it they can co-opt to support their delusion or to convince themselves that any opposition to the delusion is badly motivated and invalid. For most conspiracy theorists, fringe thinkers, armchair detectives and the like, these bubbles stay small. But what if the bubble of someone's delusion of grandeur really does start to extend to a large part of the real world? What if no one can meaningfully challenge it, or even survive the attempt?
I would say he's not even good at that. Look at his early publicity stunts, it's obvious he was a bovine excrement artist back then, and bad at it to. His speeches were too hesitant, too muddled, too disorganised to be taken seriously. He got lucky in that a) he was born into wealth in a slave society and b) Peter Thiel vastly overstimated Musk's threat to what became Paypal and overpaid in the buyout (a very common thing in that era of the dotcom bubble).

Without those two breaks, Musk would be a homeless panhandler as he's got no skills.
 
What for?
Teslas are the way more expensive and worse by every metric than Chinese EVs.
Precisely why my EV is not a Tesla.

I checked out the available Tesla models, and found them to be a lot of wanky useless tricks ("disco demo" mode??!), and ultimately it had fewer useful features than my 12 year old Mazda CX-5 diesel. And I would have had to ransom a child (not my own, fortunately) to buy it, and then wait six months for delivery.

The Chinese EVs drove better, had better features, suited my requirements better (mine's a hatchback), and did not cost me a pirate's treasure chest full of family body parts to own. And it was in stock.
 
Without those two breaks, Musk would be a homeless panhandler as he's got no skills.
Good point. Normally I would include leveraging lucky breaks as part of gaming financial systems. But the distinction here is useful, and "gaming" wasn't well defined in my argument. Getting people to pay more for something than it's worth is part of what I mean by gaming, but that can be explained just as well by a buyer's naïveté and enthusiasm as by the seller's hyperbole. For that reason it's important to stay faithful to the details.
 
Tesla is getting its income twice from each car: once from the buyer, and another from a gas car sale that has to buy an offset from Tesla.
So a drop in sales hits Tesla twice as hard - hence the lie about massive sales to no one in particular.
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Obama introduced a plan for US car manufacturers to start switching to EV. Under the plan, car makers had to make a certain % of cars they sell electric, or they had to buy an offset from a car maker who did. The plan was to raise the cost until all manufacturers would try to make and sell EV.
But the effect was that car makers would just buy offsets from Tesla, which only made EVs, which was cheaper than trying to build their own EV line.
Tesla has been printing money this way in the order many billions.
 
Yeah it was a mistake to go fully into EV promotion. With hybrids you could demand a certain mpg on passenger vehicles. You could even give a tax cut for people buying hybrids that met the specs. The next 10-20 would have been fine with car owners. The people would adjust to it better. Someday we will find a mountain of lithium somewhere.
 
Yeah it was a mistake to go fully into EV promotion. With hybrids you could demand a certain mpg on passenger vehicles. You could even give a tax cut for people buying hybrids that met the specs. The next 10-20 would have been fine with car owners. The people would adjust to it better. Someday we will find a mountain of lithium somewhere.
Hi! Australia is number 2 in the world after Chile. No deal, I guess, until Trump is in jail, along with Musk and all of Project 2025.

ETA. Oh noes! Trump just put a tariff on our exports to the USA! Guess we will just have to sell it tariff-free to China. ;)
 
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Sooner or later Musk/DOGE will kill a government employee. They are busting into buildigs. Sometimes with FBI. What will Trump say? Besides pardoning them.
 
Interesting take on Musk:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/elon-m...dreessen?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Not a huge Rand fan by any means but interesting.
BTW the site I took this from, the BUlwark has become a favorite of mine; It;s is a relentless attack on Trump from a variety of writers.
The founder Bill Kristol is a center right Never Trumper, but he has writers from all across the political specturm .i
 
Toxic masculinity--> empathy!*
MAGA & The Christian Right Say Empathy is Toxic. A Psychiatrist Explores. (Dr Russell Razzaque on YouTube, Mar 18, 2025 - 8:22 min.)
Is empathy actually toxic? From Elon Musk to multiple influencers and leaders in the right wing and Christian space, many people are making this claim. As a psychiatrist and academic who specialises in the teaching of empathy and compassion to other clinicians, I have a very different view, which I share on this video. Some wonderful examples of empathy and compassion can be found here in this channel and community too - all supporting one another in a beautiful way.

Musk: "It has really come as quite a shock to me that there's this level of hatred and violence from the left. I thought that the left, the Democrats, were supposed to be the party of empathy, the party of caring. And yet, they're burning down cars, they're firebombing dealerships, firing bullets into dealerships, you know, smashing up Teslas. Tesla is a peaceful company, we've never done anything harmful. I've never done anything harmful, only done productive things.
So, I think we just have a deranged - there's some kind of mental illness going on because this doesn't make any sense.
I think there are larger forces at work. Because this is crazy. I've never seen anything like this."

From a video clip on X (53 sec.) from Fox News - with footage of burning Teslas in the background.

I am almost surprised that Musk didn't continue his sentence: "I thought that the left, the Democrats, were supposed to be the party of empathy, the party of caring" with this: ... and that's why I am a Republican!

Fact Check: Musk said 'The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy.' Here's his full quote (Snopes/YahooNews, Mar 18, 2025)
Context:
"I believe in empathy, like, I think you should care about other people," Musk said as part of the same discussion on Joe Rogan's podcast, "but you need to have empathy for, for civilization as a whole, and not commit to a civilizational suicide."
In other words:
It is civilizational suicide to empathize with people. You should empathize with Teslas, i.e. the product of capitalist civilization.

Ernie Banks on X, Mar 19, 2025
He flagged/thwarted a scientific proposal from a study I work on bc his shoddy AI thought “microbiome diversity” was a DEI aim. So dumb I laugh, but has serious consequences for ppls lives and livelihoods. Just one tiny example. No larger forces. Genuine populist hate for him!

* Toxic Empathy is an actual book title!
Toxic Empathy - How Progressives Exploits Christian Compassion (Penguin)
In Toxic Empathy, Allie Beth Stuckey argues that empathy has become a tool of manipulation by left-wing activists who bully people into believing that they must adopt progressive positions to be loving. She explores the five most heated issues through which toxic empathy is deployed: abortion, gender, sexuality, immigration, and social justice.
 
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* Toxic Empathy is an actual book title!
Yeesh. I guess that 'love the sinner' stuff was too wishy-washy for these guys. Though to be fair I just tried to search up bible quotes related to 'love the sinner, hate the sin' and the results were, uh. Discouraging. I guess if you're a biblical literalist you do get a LOT of carte blanche on the subject of hating (the correctly designated) people.
 

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