Musk vs Trump

Which one will the MAGA supporters try to assassinate first?

  • Trump

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Musk

    Votes: 23 82.1%

  • Total voters
    28
Musk has picked a religion by which, by definition, he can never, ever have enough money.
Indeed, nevertheless @Tero's point remains valid. After a certain amount of money, what's the motivation? The answer is power. But it's not as simple as that. Vast amounts of money and vast amounts of power go hand-in-hand. Elon Musk gained control of Tesla by means of a leveraged maneuver that only works when you have a lot of money—or when people think you have it, which gives you a lot of power. Turns out Musk was probably bluffing, according to the lawsuits filed. But he got the company anyway.

No one is ever going to make a billion dollars in the traditional way of earning wages, commissions, and tips for working at Home Depot or selling insurance, or writing computer code. You only get to that point by gaming a financial system, which requires some starting-out money and the ability to leverage other people. Right now Elon Musk is at the top of power. He has access to literally all the information the United States has, which puts him in a very powerful position for making more money and acquiring more power. He got there by spending less than one-tenth of one percent of his then net worth on buying an election for a man he could then manipulate.
 
Right now Elon Musk is at the top of power. He has access to literally all the information the United States has, which puts him in a very powerful position for making more money and acquiring more power. He got there by spending less than one-tenth of one percent of his then net worth on buying an election for a man he could then manipulate.
And, to add irritation to dismay, he's bad at it. How many people, having acquired that position of power, would be so cack-handed at wielding it?! Muck's not an eminence grise, a brilliant person subtly exerting control and wielding influence. He's a clown with a giant squeaky hammer, alternately boasting and squealing publicly. How the hell is that working?! How is it possible such a toddler got where he is, and stays there?!?!
 
i always say musk is stupid, which isn’t exactly true. i’d say he’s actually probably somewhat smart. smart enough to convince smart people to believe in the vision he presented, smart enough to game the system.

but what he isn’t is a genius. he’s also made a ton of mistakes, and lately massive ones.

he also has no respect for anyone else. he will tell poor and easily disproved lies by anyone who does a modicum of fact checking. and that’s when i call him stupid. but he’s not, i’m wrong. he’s smart enough to know that lie will work on enough people be doesn’t need to put the effort into a good lie. he can tell stupid lies, and they work. he’s right not to respect those people, and he knows who they are and how to reach them
 
How is it possible such a toddler got where he is, and stays there?!?!
Toddlers tend to get what they want because they simply make a nuisance of themselves until they do.

Elon Musk is a toddler, to be sure: intellectually and emotionally. He isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is or nearly as talented (at least in the ways he wants to be seen as talented). When you're a hundred-billionaire, no one will call you an emotional toddler; you're "eccentric."

But he's also a bully and a con man. He'll con you from the position of an unearned reputation, generally taking money and credit for other people's work and promising to share it with you if you just buy into the scheme. If that doesn't work, he'll bully you from a position of unearned wealth. Wealth buys you a political office which you can then control. Wealth buys you a bot-riddled media platform from which you can marshal your minions to destroy other people.

These positions, once attained, tend to be self-sustaining. Each step you take makes the next few steps easier. But as the title of this thread makes plain, there is little room at the top. I don't think Pres. Trump cares personally. He's happy as long as he gets his revenge tour, stays out of jail, and sets up enough of a grift to last him the rest of his life. He has never had any interest in fulfilling the role of President, only in what he gets personally out of holding the office. But at a certain point the Project 2525 architects controlling Trump will see Musk as a threat to their advancement and power. They'll figure out a way to sideline him.
 
i always say musk is stupid, which isn’t exactly true. i’d say he’s actually probably somewhat smart. smart enough to convince smart people to believe in the vision he presented, smart enough to game the system.
That's it. He's very good at gaming financial and corporate systems, a trait altogether common in West Coast business and politics. That takes some seed money, but mostly it takes a lot of bluff, bluster, and bullying. With patience, you can work your way up that ladder without actually being good at anything else.

but what he isn’t is a genius. he’s also made a ton of mistakes, and lately massive ones.

he also has no respect for anyone else. he will tell poor and easily disproved lies by anyone who does a modicum of fact checking.
Elon Musk is not a genius at anything except gaming systems to acquire wealth and power. He's not a brilliant scientist or engineer. He's not even a competent player of video games. But his obsessive need to be seen as all that is what makes him so very dangerous. Once he acquires enough wealth and power to compel belief in his supposed genius, these massive mistakes he's making (and that, frankly, he's been making all along) will start to engulf innocent people who have no choice. "Oops, I mistakenly fired the people who guard our nuclear weapons? Hm, I guess that means Philadelphia is going to get nuked. My bad, but I'm still a genius."

I feel little sympathy for anyone who voluntarily allies with Elon Musk. They are free agents who have ostensibly weighed the options and made their choices. And they can leave at any time, cut their losses, and move on if things go sour. But when people are suddenly compelled to obey him or endure the consequences of his bad decision-making, those people deserve sympathy and justice. From the Oval Office he said he will say and do things that are wrong, and that he should be corrected when that happens. But someone with a delusional picture of his own importance and genius cannot be told any such thing, and often suffer greatly when the attempt is made. We don't need someone with an inflated sense of his own intellect to move fast and break things and brush off the breakage. We need people who move slowly and carefully and understand that for the sake of others, some things must not be allowed to break.

As we note with conspiracy theorists etc. here, the goal is often for them to create a world in which they are geniuses, superheroes, or whatever. And in that little bubble of self-delusion fueled by conspiracy theories, whatever little knowledge or skill they possess is all that's ever needed to address the issue at hand. These conspiracy theorists then engage with the real world, either to see how much of it they can co-opt to support their delusion or to convince themselves that any opposition to the delusion is badly motivated and invalid. For most conspiracy theorists, fringe thinkers, armchair detectives and the like, these bubbles stay small. But what if the bubble of someone's delusion of grandeur really does start to extend to a large part of the real world? What if no one can meaningfully challenge it, or even survive the attempt?
 
Looks like Stubby McBonespurs might be buying a Tesla. (Or, more likely, wants to receive one for free)...

From: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/11/media/elon-musk-companies-x-tesla-spacex/index.html
“Elon Musk is’ ‘putting it on the line’ in order to help our Nation, and he is doing a FANTASTIC JOB!” Trump said in a post on Truth Social. “I’m going to buy a brand new Tesla tomorrow morning as a show of confidence and support for Elon Musk, a truly great American.”
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Trump, in his Truth Social post Tuesday, claimed radical leftists were working to “illegally and collusively boycott Tesla”


Ah, where to begin...

Lets set aside the hypocrisy of complaining about "boycotts of Tesla" when Trump himself has engaged in the same sort of procedure (such as boycotting the NFL because he did not like Colin Kaprinick...

Does he really think his "support" of Musk by offering to buy a Tesla will be of any help? After all, one of the reasons Tesla is going down the drain is because those most likely to purchase electric vehicles (relatively affluent moderate/liberal individuals) do not like Trump and are rejecting Tesla because of the Trump/Musk association. I don't think reminding people that Musk is part of Trump's Klan will be that beneficial, and the MAGAchud who vote republican won't want a "hippy electric vehicle", even if Trump endorses it.
Buying a Tesla? If Trump really wanted to show comradely support with Musk he’d get some hair implants.
 
For an avid collector of imaginary dollar bills, Musk is VERY bad at keeping them.
He still has more of them than anyone else, at least on paper. "On paper" is a big part of it. He bought Twitter by collateralizing his Tesla stock, and he leveraged his takeover of Tesla by threatening to exercise his options to take control by force. Now that Tesla is tanking, his loans for Twitter are in jeopardy. If he defaults, he could lose everything including control of SpaceX. But he has a plan.

Now Elon Musk is in government, vacuuming up all the private information he can get his hands on regarding his competitors (both companies and individual), and on every person who lives in or does business with the United States. This is his ploy to hedge his business interests. And it's why we have historically always said you can exercise government power or economical influence, but not both at the same time. Musk has to cheat, because he's absolute crap at actually running a company. He doesn't know how to do anything except by means of bluster and fraud. Make no mistake, he's legitimately very good at those things. But it doesn't ultimately result in unencumbered wealth and power. He has to keep running some kind of con in order to stay in his position.

That's why the Paths of Exile scandal was so revealing. It shows how his ego puts him in a fragile position where he can be compromised by such relatively unsophisticated actors as a few gamers with YouTube channels. Up until then he has stayed mostly in territory where he can buff his way past most consequences of failure. But now that's no longer true, and it will become less true the more Musk believes his own lies and treads deeper into territory where failures are profound and he won't be able to bluff his way out of them.

And the way I read the situation, I think he knows this. Scooping up priceless (and otherwise impossible to obtain) business intelligence under the obviously false guise of rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse will set him up for life. Having the governmental power to cripple or eliminate his competitors is part of the advantage. But this is all short-lived. I think he knows his days within the Trump administration are numbered. Either the judiciary will finally oust him, or the Project 2025 architects will leverage him out. Or it may be as simple as Trump getting tired of someone else stealing the headlines.

But I fear we'll suffer the collateral damage of Elon Musk's incompetence and gaming. Too few people are willing to check him, and he's too unwilling to be checked. Part of the con is still convincing people that he's a galaxy brain playing several moves ahead in four-dimensional chess, and that if it looks like he's failing then it's really just a secret prelude to a big win that you're just too dumb to see. People like Musk convince others to give him wealth and power because he's so good at lying and telling them he's so much better a custodian of it all than you are.
 
If Muskrat's empire collapses even partially, it will make the Barings Bank collapse, the biggest to date, look like a dissolving sugar cube by comparison. Let that sink in, indeed!
 
Looks like Stubby McBonespurs might be buying a Tesla. (Or, more likely, wants to receive one for free)...

From: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/11/media/elon-musk-companies-x-tesla-spacex/index.html
“Elon Musk is’ ‘putting it on the line’ in order to help our Nation, and he is doing a FANTASTIC JOB!” Trump said in a post on Truth Social. “I’m going to buy a brand new Tesla tomorrow morning as a show of confidence and support for Elon Musk, a truly great American.”
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Trump, in his Truth Social post Tuesday, claimed radical leftists were working to “illegally and collusively boycott Tesla”


Ah, where to begin...

Lets set aside the hypocrisy of complaining about "boycotts of Tesla" when Trump himself has engaged in the same sort of procedure (such as boycotting the NFL because he did not like Colin Kaprinick...

Does he really think his "support" of Musk by offering to buy a Tesla will be of any help? After all, one of the reasons Tesla is going down the drain is because those most likely to purchase electric vehicles (relatively affluent moderate/liberal individuals) do not like Trump and are rejecting Tesla because of the Trump/Musk association. I don't think reminding people that Musk is part of Trump's Klan will be that beneficial, and the MAGAchud who vote republican won't want a "hippy electric vehicle", even if Trump endorses it.
Trump hosts a Tesla infomercial for Musk in front the White House.
He appeared alongside Mr Musk and one of the billionaire’s children, X, on the White House driveway. Parked in front of the building were a Cybertruck and a red sports car.

Mr Trump described Tesla’s cars as “a great product” and “as good as it gets”.
The article is relatively short, but good for a giggle.
 
not suprising. it's presumably why it was done, but imo it's just speculators speculating. the next quarterly earnings report is going to be a blood bath imo no matter how many financial games and trump infomercials they run. the sales numbers are some of the worst they've seen in years, especially overseas.
 
I'm just waiting for the Chinese "Communist" government to invent a reason to take over the Tesla manufacturing plant in Shanghai. The way world trade is being overturned, I would guess that it will be sometime next month
 
I'm just waiting for the Chinese "Communist" government to invent a reason to take over the Tesla manufacturing plant in Shanghai. The way world trade is being overturned, I would guess that it will be sometime next month
What for?
Teslas are the way more expensive and worse by every metric than Chinese EVs.

Of course, China might institute a mandatory, government run tire pressure check on each car that leaves the factory for export....
 
not suprising. it's presumably why it was done, but imo it's just speculators speculating. the next quarterly earnings report is going to be a blood bath imo no matter how many financial games and trump infomercials they run. the sales numbers are some of the worst they've seen in years, especially overseas.
Although sales in much of Europe and Australia have fallen off a cliff, the vast majority of Tesla sales come from two countries, the US and China.

AIUI sales in China have declined marginally so if Trump's sales pitch is successful in boosting Tesla sales in the US by low double digits percent then sales can be maintained.

Of course if the plan is to double sales and increase profits 1,000% in 5 years that's a bigger challenge to fuel all of that growth, and offset declined elsewhere, from the US market only.

Edited to add.....

My comments about China were based on the 11% sales drop in January. Apparently sales were down almost 50% in February which may make things a lot more tricky - not least because 40% of Tesla sales were in China in 2023.
 
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Tesla is getting its income twice from each car: once from the buyer, and another from a gas car sale that has to buy an offset from Tesla.
So a drop in sales hits Tesla twice as hard - hence the lie about massive sales to no one in particular.
 
Well, past their first billion, no billionaire is ever happy. Their life only has a few good minutes a day they can enjoy their power over little people. Same with Trump. Why may still have a billion. Of real money, not funny money.
It varies from person to person. I do not share buy into the all billionaries are evil routine. Too simplistic.
And for power over little people a number of politicians ,,including quite a few on the left....have that fault.
I giver you Mao and Stalin as examples.
Power of any kind tends to corrupt.
 

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