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Mumia Abu-Jamal: Guilty or innocent?

HumanityBlues

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I didn't really know about this case until recently. The guy has a ton of high profile supporters, streets named after him, etc. The guy sounds guilty to me. Maybe I'm missing something.....
 
Lee Harvey Oswald was less guilty than he is. check that..... Gavrilo Princip was less guilty than he is...

It seems that if you commit a terrible crime, and aren't a complete boob, somebody will latch onto your case and proclaim you innocent.

There WERE some pretty lousy procedural errors in his case. But the dude did it. (and since he is confirmed to have been on the scene, how come he's never stated WHO did it , if not himself?)

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/columnist-distorts-facts-abu-jamal-murder-case
 
I didn't really know about this case until recently. The guy has a ton of high profile supporters, streets named after him, etc. The guy sounds guilty to me. Maybe I'm missing something.....

He's a darling of the left-wing chattering class, like Jack Unterweger, Roman Polanski, Michael Peterson, etc.

But, yes, he's probably guilty.
 
Not heard of this before, but the summary of the case on Wikipedia alone looks pretty damning. Evidence that he did it is that his revolver was lying next to him with five empty cartridges in it, expert testimony that the bullet fragments in the victim were consistent with that gun, three witnesses testifying that he did it, and two more from the hospital testifying that he confessed he did it. The defense consists of several people saying he's a nice guy and one person he saw someone running along the street just after the shooting (because no one would run away from a gun fight, right?). The defendant wouldn't speak in his own defense, nor would his brother. Unless I'm missing something, that seems pretty conclusive.
 
conflicting information

The letter-writer linked from the Duke Chronicle stated, "The fact is that ballistics testing linked the bullets found in the officer's body to Abu-Jamal's gun, a gun purchased and registered in Abu-Jamal's name and found at Abu-Jamal's side on the scene. The fact is that testing also identified the bullet that wounded Abu-Jamal as coming from the officer's weapon." On the other hand Terry Bisson wrote, "Mumia says it was someone else, and several witnesses saw another shooter flee the scene. Mumia's legally registered .38 was never decisively linked to Faulkner's wounds."

Lori Allen wrote, "In addition, the relative widths of the lands and grooves on the bullet reportedly taken from Faulkner's head wound is opposite of all, but a few percent of the Charter Arms revolvers produced. Thus, the prosecution's ballistics evidence (or lack thereof) itself raises a strong likelihood that the bullet in evidence from Faulkner's head wound was not fired by Mumia's gun. The police ballistics tests were admittedly "inconclusive" because properly and competently performed ballistics would exclude Mumia's gun as the murder weapon." I don't have any special knowledge of ballistics. However, if I were to get interested in this case, I would look into whether the National Academy of Sciences had anything to say about it in their 2009 report on forensics. Allen's article also raises the question of whether the gun found at the scene was really the officer's service revolver.

"After Mumia's conviction, Sabo instructed the jury: 'You are not being asked to kill anybody' by imposing the death penalty, since the defendant will get 'appeal after appeal after appeal.' Such instruction, grounds for reversal since Caldwell vs. Mississippi, was allowed in Mumia's case." I don't have any opinion on Mumia's guilt or innocence at this point. But I think the Judge's instructions were wrong.
 
Seeing as a jury found him guilty I'd have to go with guilty. Unless some clear and convincing evidence suddenly appears that is so overwhelmingly conclusive in it's nature that exonerates him I'd have to say let him rot in his cell.
 
I didn't really know about this case until recently. The guy has a ton of high profile supporters, streets named after him, etc. The guy sounds guilty to me. Maybe I'm missing something.....
Your instncts are correct. Guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, his supporters useful idiots of the highest degree.
 
Guilty.

I tend to use the case as an example of reasonable doubt vs. all doubt.
 
So why does this particular guy attract so much attention?

Is it because he is cast as some sort of freedom fighter brought down by the Man?

I could understand if he was some admirable guy, but looking into his past he is no saint and not someone I would want to use as a poster boy for unjust imprisonment or a cause celebre.
 
So why does this particular guy attract so much attention?

Is it because he is cast as some sort of freedom fighter brought down by the Man?

I could understand if he was some admirable guy, but looking into his past he is no saint and not someone I would want to use as a poster boy for unjust imprisonment or a cause celebre.
I think it's because the Philly police bombed the row house his cult lived in, so these guys get sympathy and attention.
 
...I could understand if he was some admirable guy, but looking into his past he is no saint and not someone I would want to use as a poster boy for unjust imprisonment or a cause celebre.
Unjust imprisonment is unjust imprisonment, no matter who the victim.
 
I think it's because the Philly police bombed the row house his cult lived in, so these guys get sympathy and attention.

Mind you, that happened *after* Mumia's trial. (But Mumia's trial was between the two MOVE confrontations.

Oh, and to answer the OP, Mumia is guilty as hell. He even knew he was guilty so he tried to turn his trial into a madhouse and get a mistrial. Judge Sabo wasn't having any of it so it fell flat.

The appeal to the PA Supreme Court had all of the justices saying there was nothing wrong with the trial or evidence.

Most 'Free Mumia' types usually aren't even aware there is a dead policeman in the equation.
 
Unjust imprisonment is unjust imprisonment, no matter who the victim.

Then people should find someone who is actually unjustly imprisoned, because Mumia couldn't be more justly imprisoned.
 
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The letter-writer linked from the Duke Chronicle stated, "The fact is that ballistics testing linked the bullets found in the officer's body to Abu-Jamal's gun, a gun purchased and registered in Abu-Jamal's name and found at Abu-Jamal's side on the scene. The fact is that testing also identified the bullet that wounded Abu-Jamal as coming from the officer's weapon." On the other hand Terry Bisson wrote, "Mumia says it was someone else, and several witnesses saw another shooter flee the scene. Mumia's legally registered .38 was never decisively linked to Faulkner's wounds."

Lori Allen wrote, "In addition, the relative widths of the lands and grooves on the bullet reportedly taken from Faulkner's head wound is opposite of all, but a few percent of the Charter Arms revolvers produced. Thus, the prosecution's ballistics evidence (or lack thereof) itself raises a strong likelihood that the bullet in evidence from Faulkner's head wound was not fired by Mumia's gun. The police ballistics tests were admittedly "inconclusive" because properly and competently performed ballistics would exclude Mumia's gun as the murder weapon." I don't have any special knowledge of ballistics. However, if I were to get interested in this case, I would look into whether the National Academy of Sciences had anything to say about it in their 2009 report on forensics. Allen's article also raises the question of whether the gun found at the scene was really the officer's service revolver.

OK. Here's a hint: ballistics isn't perfect. When bullets are mashed up (as the ones Mumia fired were) you can't really get much info from them. But you can get things like type of ammo and caliber. These five bullets happened to match the empty shells in Mumia's revolver. There were only two guns (Mumia's & Faulkner's)around and three people (mumia, Faulkner, and Mumia's brother).

Mumia actually never said it was someone else. In fact, he told no version of his own until the 11th hour signing of someone else's delusional affidavit. His own brother wouldn't even testify on his behalf to any such story.

Color me unimpressed.
 
Then people should find someone who is actually unjustly imprisoned, because Mumia couldn't be more justly imprisoned.

No doubt, but that has nothing to do with the suggestion that unjust imprisonment doesn't matter if the victim has previously done something wrong.
 
No doubt, but that has nothing to do with the suggestion that unjust imprisonment doesn't matter if the victim has previously done something wrong.

Granted, but you have to admit some people make better poster children than others.
 
But I think the Judge's instructions were wrong.


Yes, they were. That's why a new sentencing hearing was ordered and ultimately the death sentence was vacated. He was removed from death row in January, as a result.

As for the OP, guilty (in my opinion).
 

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