Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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While Flake is pushing in the Senate for the rest of this year:

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says Democrats will demand that protections for special counsel Robert Mueller be included in a must-pass spending bill if GOP leaders fail to bring the legislation to the floor.
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Linky.
 
Buckaroo said:
You're not wrong, and the fact that such an arrangement was not part of Manafort's plea deal, when other less important figures got much more restrictive deals, seems highly revealing.
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It certainly is, it suggests that this was a deliberate act, and that Mueller may have created what was effectively a double agent (one who didn't know he was a double agent).

As I said earlier, it reminds me of one of Tom Clancy's "Op Center" plot points; anyone who has read it, or seen the TV mini-series will know what I mean. In that story, the Op Center fed the President some disinformation to flush out a leak in the White House, which turned out to be a reporter (actually an Israeli spy) POTUS was having an affair with. In this case, they fed Manafort disinformation, being pretty sure that

a. he would feed that disinformation back to Trump

b. they knew (as everyone knows) Trump, like a child with a bag of sweets, would be unable to contain his glee.
 
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Tsukasa Buddha said:
This isn't cynicism or realism. It is just a distorted view of the situation. It's just a bunch of all-or-nothing and catastrophizing. Look at how the votes and public opinion changed over time for Watergate.

The idea that the voting public is set is a particularly weird idea, given we just went from electing Obama twice to Trump.
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Voters aside, I think "politics is total war" has become ingrained in the institutional Republican Party since 1992 and the beginning of the Karl Rove Ascendency. Bush Sr. was the last of the old school, and he failed. With him went all the old school ideas. No longer was there to be respect for the office of President, instead there was Whitewater.

It must have been sweet to Rove, the old Nixonian rat-stuffer, to set a special prosecutor on Clinton. Rove and his like spent years in the widerness because of Nixon's fall and the taint he left.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
A somewhat substantiated theory of Trump's tweets vis-a-vis the Mueller probe is that he is repeating what Manafort leaked to him - something that Mueller would have picked up on instantly.
So the theory is that Mueller used Manafort to steer Trump to answer the written questions a certain way that contradicts what Mueller knows for a fact.
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Mmm. I question the use of "steer" there. That implies a lot more influence than Mueller would need to exert and pushes the responsibility from Trump/his lawyers onto him. Much like the perjury trap BS. It's pretty clear that Trump, given his history of doing so, isn't likely to not commit perjury like crazy, regardless, and the perjury trap BS was mostly to try to preemptively excuse that by shifting the blame away from Trump for being nigh incapable of not lying, even under oath.
 
CapelDodger said:
One can hear the shrieks of "perjury trap!" already. The conditioning is already in place : where we hear "perjury", Trumpists hear "perjury trap!".
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They think it's a trap only because they know that their guy could not help mouthing off unhinged and sinking himself and everyone associated with him. So this "trap" is a warning for themselves.
 
CapelDodger said:
One can hear the shrieks of "perjury trap!" already. The conditioning is already in place : where we hear "perjury", Trumpists hear "perjury trap!".
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Individual One's lawyers are on the job.

President's lawyers think it was unfair for Mueller to ask questions of the President without first informing the President that he should tell the truth because Mueller might have evidence to show false answers were false.
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Norman Alexander said:
They think it's a trap only because they know that their guy could not help mouthing off unhinged and sinking himself and everyone associated with him. So this "trap" is a warning for themselves.
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It's not a warning to them, it's a comfort. For Trumpists, perjury only exists in relation to traps set for the prejurors with malicious intent, probably by Hillary Clinton, but she hides behing George Soros a lot.
 
A perjury trap is what Barbara McQuade calls "a Unicorn defence"; there is no such thing.

Not committing perjury is a really, really easy thing to do, just tell the bloody truth!
 
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