Mueller Investigation pt 6

Status
Not open for further replies.
thaiboxerken said:
The reality is, their opinion on impeachment should not matter.
Click to expand...

That's the theory. The reality is that it does.

Drewbot said:
Is anyone tempering their hatred for Donald Trump, now that he has been investigated, and not charged with anything?
Click to expand...

Well, Mueller just told us that the reason why he wasn't charged is because he's the sitting president, and that had there been no good evidence for obstruction he would've said so. If anything it should convince YOU that Trump probably obstructed justice.
 
Trump Tweets

“Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson accuses United Kingdom Intelligence of helping Obama Administration Spy on the 2016 Trump Presidential Campaign.” @OANN
WOW! It is now just a question of time before the truth comes out, and when it does, it will be a beauty!

The Mueller Report, despite being written by Angry Democrats and Trump Haters, and with unlimited money behind it ($35,000,000), didn’t lay a glove on me. I DID NOTHING WRONG. If the partisan Dems ever tried to Impeach, I would first head to the U.S. Supreme Court. Not only......

.....are there no “High Crimes and Misdemeanors,” there are no Crimes by me at all. All of the Crimes were committed by Crooked Hillary, the Dems, the DNC and Dirty Cops - and we caught them in the act! We waited for Mueller and WON, so now the Dems look to Congress as last hope!
 
Drewbot said:
Who has been charged with colluding with the Russians?

There are people on the campaign that are not sitting presidents.
Click to expand...

We're talking about obstruction. Conspiracy is harder to prove, but it's clear that Trump and his cronies were more than willing to receive illegal help from the Russians in their campaign.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
“Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson accuses United Kingdom Intelligence of helping Obama Administration Spy on the 2016 Trump Presidential Campaign.” @OANN
WOW! It is now just a question of time before the truth comes out, and when it does, it will be a beauty!
Click to expand...

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1121041325124661248

This tweet is SO false that Fox News actually SUSPENDED a guy for pushing this discredited BS (yes, really)

We'd be getting more truth-value if Trump were tweeting about UFO SIGHTINGS

And (bonus) he's attacking our TOP ALLY
Click to expand...
 
OK Obstruction, it wasn't that he couldn't charge a sitting President, it's that the President has Constitutional rights to fire anyone in the Department of Justice.

His rights to do that are laid out in the Constitution.

Why would Robert Mueller Charge him with Obstruction, when every court in the land would say that he is Constitutionally empowered to fire the FBI director? Mueller would look like an idiot.
 
Drewbot said:
OK Obstruction, it wasn't that he couldn't charge a sitting President, it's that the President has Constitutional rights to fire anyone in the Department of Justice.

His rights to do that are laid out in the Constitution.

Why would Robert Mueller Charge him with Obstruction, when every court in the land would say that he is Constitutionally empowered to fire the FBI director? Mueller would look like an idiot.
Click to expand...

In a lot of obstruction cases, the underlying activity is legal. For example, we have a right to shred paperwork. If we are shredding that paperwork before a subpoena to obstruct an investigation, then that is a crime.
 
Drewbot: do you think the Mueller report supports, for example, Trump's statement that neither he nor his campaign had any contacts with Russians?
 
Drewbot said:
OK Obstruction, it wasn't that he couldn't charge a sitting President, it's that the President has Constitutional rights to fire anyone in the Department of Justice.

His rights to do that are laid out in the Constitution.

Why would Robert Mueller Charge him with Obstruction, when every court in the land would say that he is Constitutionally empowered to fire the FBI director? Mueller would look like an idiot.
Click to expand...

Let's ask Mr. Mueller himself, rather than speculating about it. In Section II, page 8 (or page 220 of the .pdf):

"Under applicable Supreme Court precedent, the Constitution does not categorically and permanently immunize a President for obstructing justice through the use of his Article II powers ."
 
BobTheCoward said:
In a lot of obstruction cases, the underlying activity is legal. For example, we have a right to shred paperwork. If we are shredding that paperwork before a subpoena to obstruct an investigation, then that is a crime.
Click to expand...

How about deleting emails, bleachbitting servers and smashing blackberries that are under subpoena, is that a crime?
 
Drewbot said:
Scott Adams, who has been predicting almost everything correctly for 3 years, has said he thinks the percentage of people who are going to start flipping to support Donald Trump, is around 10%.

If 10% of past anti-trumpers are flipping to his side now that he has been vetted, then that spells bad news for 2020 Dem run.
Click to expand...

Scott Adams thinks that Trump has his supporters under a spell, basically.
 
Drewbot said:
Is anyone tempering their hatred for Donald Trump, now that he has been investigated, and not charged with anything?

I know people like my brother were telling me that once the Mueller Report came out, i'd start hating him too, and I agreed that when it did, and he was charged with a crime, i'd turn on Trump in a heartbeat.

Now that he has not been charged, has anyone gone the other way?

It seems for 2 years Fox, Trump, and his supporters have been correct, and now that the Mueller report is out, no one is realizing that they have been fooled for two years.

The media and DNC have been trying to correct their galactically bad 2016 campaign for almost 3 years, is the fog of cognitive dissonance starting to lift?

Honesty please.
Click to expand...

Wow!

Since you are asking for honesty, then here goes my answer ...

If the first place, it would have been quite unlikely that Trump would have been charged with a crime regardless of what the Mueller investigation would have found. After all, it has been clearly stated that the Justice Department will not charge a sitting President with a crime.

In the second place, the Mueller report shows several times just what an incredible liar that Trump actually is.

In the third place, there have already been a number of people who have gotten into serious trouble due to the Mueller investigation and it is quite likely that there will be additional people who will get into trouble due to the Mueller investigation.

In the fourth place, there still are a number of other Trump investigations as work, so Trump is hardly out of the woods yet.
 
Bogative said:
How about deleting emails, bleachbitting servers and smashing blackberries that are under subpoena, is that a crime?
Click to expand...

Mueller has reported that Trump campaign and White House members have deleted mails, destroyed evidence, used high encryption to evade detection, pressured witnesses into silence, and lied, lied, lied to investigators.
Is that a crime?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Mueller has reported that Trump campaign and White House members have deleted mails, destroyed evidence, used high encryption to evade detection, pressured witnesses into silence, and lied, lied, lied to investigators.
Is that a crime?
Click to expand...

You forget the underlying premise in American politics: "It's only bad if a Democrat does it."
 
Drewbot said:
Is anyone tempering their hatred for Donald Trump, now that he has been investigated, and not charged with anything?
Click to expand...

This brings up a personal conflict I have.

I try very hard not to hate. Anyone or anything.

With Trump, I do despise virtually everything he stands for, his lying, his childish mocking and his contempt. It’s SO very hard not to end up hating the man - if anyone in recent memory deserves it, it’s him.

But Lord knows I try.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom