Mr. Lloyd Pye and the Starchild Skull

[Cainkane1]

Hello, everyone. I'm asking for some help, if people don't mind.

I'm a member of a forum at Mania.com, which is a site dedicated to things like comic books, movies, games... mostly sci fi/fantasy/horror based. They offer regular columns, written by guest commentators.

One of their columns, "23.5 Degrees" is angled toward the usual woo. Well, Mr. Lloyd Pye, a man who owns an unusually deformed human skull, is trying to prove to the world that the skull is of an alien/human hybrid. I've been trying to debate him civilly, but I'm not getting anywhere. I'm an almost alone skeptic surrounded by woo believers.

What I'm asking for is for people, regardless of what you believe, to come over to that thread and post about it, in a civil manner. I really could use people who know more about biology, anthropology, genetics, and similar topics than I do. ( I can't refute some of his claims because I lack the proper knowledge to do so; therefore, I sound somewhat like a fool, and definitely a lone voice shouting into the wind. )

I can't post a direct link yet, so here's how to find the column for those who are interested. Go to mania.com, find the search bar, type in "Mission Starchild Part Deux" and hit enter. You can find the thread at the top of the returned searches.

Thank you!

Squid

He gets brownie with the paranormal crowd. He'll never debate you. If he had the skull tested it would be found to be comepletely human and he knows it.

 

[Orphia Nay]

The believers claim that Pye's test finding, "No significant similarity found" indicates alien origin of the 900 year old skull.

They fail to see that, IF that is true, then there are NO other aliens or alien/humans recorded as ever existing. "No significant similarity found".

The aliens have left the building.

 

[SusanB-M1]

The star child skull is a continuing source of discussion on the GH forums and this is the latest one:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=290137&t=290137
Houcaid's posts are the best and I hope he has time to complete a proper research paper on it. (Name in bold as he's a mod.) (I'm Susan Doris there.)

 

[Orphia Nay]

The star child skull is a continuing source of discussion on the GH forums and this is the latest one:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=290137&t=290137
Houcaid's posts are the best and I hope he has time to complete a proper research paper on it. (Name in bold as he's a mod.) (I'm Susan Doris there.)

Thanks for that, Susan! Yes, Houcad's posts are good!

Here's a thread from a forum I visit. Mighty Dawg's posts are well worth reading.

http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84862

 

[Frying Dutchmen]

Thanks for that, Susan! Yes, Houcad's posts are good!

Here's a thread from a forum I visit. Mighty Dawg's posts are well worth reading.

http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84862

That thread was nuts... What I gather from reading that forum from a one Mister Specs and A Happy camper is that the star child is an almost religious artifact with zero evidence of it being purely human that you should shut up if you disagree with crazy man Pye and that the JREF are all arrogant *****

 

[Orphia Nay]

That thread was nuts... What I gather from reading that forum from a one Mister Specs and A Happy camper is that the star child is an almost religious artifact with zero evidence of it being purely human that you should shut up if you disagree with crazy man Pye and that the JREF are all arrogant *****

Spot on! FSM forbid if you cast aspersions on the divine DNA test, and prepare for insults and vicious abuse if you doubt the skull is from a holy alien!

 

[dafydd]

The believers claim that Pye's test finding, "No significant similarity found" indicates alien origin of the 900 year old skull.

They fail to see that, IF that is true, then there are NO other aliens or alien/humans recorded as ever existing. "No significant similarity found".

The aliens have left the building.

The aliens don't even know that the building is here.

 

[Marduk]

The believers claim that Pye's test finding, "No significant similarity found" indicates alien origin of the 900 year old skull.

They fail to see that, IF that is true, then there are NO other aliens or alien/humans recorded as ever existing. "No significant similarity found".

The aliens have left the building.

That result only applies to 342 base pairs, presumably the other 2,999,658 base pairs that he hasn't commented on at all, are entirely human
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5731831#post5731831
Besides which, a DNA test done in 1999 in Canada found a pefectly normal human X and Y chromasone in two seperate samples, one from the mother and one from the father, and Lloyd has also decided to ignore that, so unless he's claiming that Aliens have human chromasones hes simply a con man

 

[Orphia Nay]

The aliens don't even know that the building is here.

Yep.

That result only applies to 342 base pairs, presumably the other 2,999,658 base pairs that he hasn't commented on at all, are entirely human
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5731831#post5731831
Besides which, a DNA test done in 1999 in Canada found a pefectly normal human X and Y chromasone in two seperate samples, one from the mother and one from the father, and Lloyd has also decided to ignore that, so unless he's claiming that Aliens have human chromasones hes simply a con man

Thanks, Marduk. Do you have a link to that Canadian DNA test?

 

[Marduk]

It was posted by the star child project at the time
http://www.starchildproject.com/SCSreport.PDF
when they realised what they had posted they took it down
but
Steven Novella who is a clinical Neurologist commented on it when it was up here
http://www.theness.com/the-starchild-project/

at the time Pye tried to blow off the results by claiming that the child was the result of a cloning experiment which included a human male a human female and an alien

now hes just not mentioning it at all
funny that

 

[Cainkane1]

I saw this on TV a year or two ago. The skull is missing the lower part and the only thing you can see is the eye area and the top portion of the skull. Its either a deformed childs skull or the skull of some south american primate.

 

[Marduk]

Its either a deformed childs skull or the skull of some south american primate.

I think you might be able to narrow that down,
if youd read a single thing in this thread apart from the title

 

[ShadowSot]

Heh, it's popped up again on some of the woo type sites I visit.
Apparently the DNA tests were not conclusive enough.

 

[Marduk]

Heh, it's popped up again on some of the woo type sites I visit.
Apparently the DNA tests were not conclusive enough.

so has Lloyd started appealing for tens of thousands of more dollars to fund a lab test that costs a few hundred ?
this is what the 5th DNA test that has proven to be not conclusive enough
for Lloyd,

 

[William Parcher]

But what about Bigfoot?

Oh yes. Lloyd Pye and Bigfoot go together. He has lectured at Bigfooter conferences.



Washington Sasquatch Research Team

Long before I watched the twelve part youtube lecture by Lloyd Pye, I had my own opinion on what Bigfoot is and where it falls in the evolutionary tree of the hominids...

I do not pretend to agree with 100% of his findings, but it certainly opened my eyes and made me think. I know it will make you think and that's the whole point. Lloyd Pye stirs the evolutionary pot. If Lloyd Pye is correct, then it isn't a stretch to understand why the government doesn't want you to know. Bigfoot is only part of the subject matter that Lloyd Pye lectures about. But he ties everything together very neatly. Lloyd Pye only presents facts! Facts are difficult to argue with, unless you are a government official.

 

[Marduk]

But what about Bigfoot?

Oh yes. Lloyd Pye and Bigfoot go together. He has lectured at Bigfooter conferences.



Washington Sasquatch Research Team

Lloyd Pyes understanding of Hominid evolution is at best farcical
Consider these two statements made by Lloyd which show the depth of his knowledge

The truth is that some lengthy fossil timelines are missing, but many more are well accounted for. Those have been thoroughly examined in the past 140-plus years, to no avail. In any other occupation, a 140-year-long trek up a blind alley would indicate a wrong approach has been taken. But not to scientists. They blithely continue forward, convinced of the absolute rightness of their mission and confident their fabled missing link could be found beneath the next overturned rock. Sooner or later, they believe, one of their members will uncover it, so they all work in harmonious concert toward that common goal. Individually, though, it’s every man or woman for themselves.

so apparently scientists are looking for the missing link in Hominid evolution

where would that be on this continuous list going back several million years.

Anthropologists are now left with only Homo Erectus as a possible direct ancestor for humans, and Erectus supposedly went extinct 300,000 years ago—100,000 before we appeared. Obviously, something had to give here, and—as in war—truth has been the first casualty. Recently anthropologists started reevaluating Homo Erectus fossils from Indonesia and guess what? They are now finding possible dates as early as 30,000 years ago, well beneath the 120,000 years ago Cro-Magnons first appeared in the fossil record. Such a surprise! However, scientists still have to account for our “sudden” appearance and our wide array of new traits never before seen among primates.

Cro Magnons are named after the first modern humans found in Europe which are dated to 35,000 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon
What connection is there between Homo Erectus and Cro Magnons ?
none at all,
what connection is there between lloyds claims and the truth
same answer
Homo Erectus has been extinct for 1 million years, that has never changed, there are several sub species that survived until almost 50,000 years ago. But claiming they are Homo Erectus is like claming a Lamboughini is a ford model T but about a hundred thousands times larger on a scale of magnitude
these are the subspecies

Homo erectus yuanmouensis
Homo erectus lantianensis
Homo erectus wushanensis
Homo erectus nankinensis
Homo erectus pekinensis
Homo erectus palaeojavanicus
Homo erectus soloensis

Lloyd has never mentioned any of the above names in any of his claims at any time, so apparently he is not aware of their existence, the last of the list was found in Java (soloensis) and is the one that Lloyd is referring to.
hes a con man, out to fool the gullible into paying his welfare,
I have never seen anything from Lloyd that wasn't immediately shown to be wrong and in most cases deliberately wrong. Its like a God of the gaps argument where Lloyd is creating his own gaps from the complete ignorance of his followers, thers a name for that, in fact theres several, but the one that fits the best is Pseudo science, that is to say, complete unsupported crap
A couple of his earlier claims for instance
1. that Humans and Neanderthals were not related
see http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/06/neanderthals-dna-humans-genome
2. That humans only use 10% of their brains because the other 90% is Alien storage capacity which we aren't advanced enough to access yet
Is a complete straw man long disproved see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%_of_brain_myth

 

[sophia8]

I'm waiting for a bunch of modern Mayans to turn up at Mr Pye's door and demand the return of their ancestor's skull to its rightful burial place.
If that happens, I hope they warn us in advance so that we can stock up on the popcorn.

 

[Orphia Nay]

It was posted by the star child project at the time
http://www.starchildproject.com/SCSreport.PDF
when they realised what they had posted they took it down
but
Steven Novella who is a clinical Neurologist commented on it when it was up here
http://www.theness.com/the-starchild-project/

at the time Pye tried to blow off the results by claiming that the child was the result of a cloning experiment which included a human male a human female and an alien

now hes just not mentioning it at all
funny that

Thanks for that.

I also found this, which has a lot of quotes from the report (which are subsequently misinterpreted by Pye).

http://www.rense.com/ufo5/skull.htm

 

[Marduk]

Thanks for that.

I also found this, which has a lot of quotes from the report (which are subsequently misinterpreted by Pye).

http://www.rense.com/ufo5/skull.htm

Thats what was originally at the link I posted until Lloyd took it down

this is my favourite part

What this means is that however physically different from humans a particular alien species might be (imagine the wide array of possibilities in "Star Wars"), it must share a complimentary copy of the human timing sequence code or viable offspring (no matter how much or how little a "mix" they might be) will not progress beyond the fetal stage.

Logical fallacy - appeal to George Lucas authority

 

[Orphia Nay]

Appeal to Fiction! Bread-and-butter for the woo diet.

So Lloyd Pye posted that, instead of the full test from the Canadian tester? How intellectually honest of him.