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Mr. Lloyd Pye and the Starchild Skull

DNA IS composed of nucleotides. A nucleotide consists of a phosphate group, a five-carbon sugar and a nitrogenous base bonded together. The combination that goes to make up DNA therefore represents chemical that are endemic to this planet in proportions that are normal to this planet. You may have heard that because of our close relation to chimpanzees our DNA IS 99% identical to theirs and yet human chimpanzee hybrids are not viable, what percentage would you expect us to have in common with a creature that evolved on a different planet ?.

Every creature on this planet features this combination of chemicals in its DNA, this is because the DNA evolved here, in effect it represents a certificate of earthliness. This is what led Carl Sagan to comment that a human is more likely to mate with a petunia than an alien.


whoever asked you how I know this obviously doesn't have the genetic understanding to answer their own question
so perhaps you should link them to the easily understood wiki page on the starchild skull which has recently been updated to include this
DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD, a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes".[1] Further DNA testing at Trace Genetics, which unlike BOLD specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, in 2003 recovered mitochondrial DNA from both skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C, while the adult female belongs to haplogroup A. Both haplotypes are characteristic Native American haplogroups, but the different haplogroup for each skull indicates that the adult female was not the child's mother. Trace Genetics was not able to recover useful lengths of nuclear DNA or Y-chromosomal DNA for further testing
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starchild_skull#DNA_testing

perhaps you could also link us to the forum youve been posting my comments at so I can answer the question myself
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Marduk said:
DNA IS composed of nucleotides. A nucleotide consists of a phosphate group, a five-carbon sugar and a nitrogenous base bonded together. The combination that goes to make up DNA therefore represents chemical that are endemic to this planet in proportions that are normal to this planet. You may have heard that because of our close relation to chimpanzees our DNA IS 99% identical to theirs and yet human chimpanzee hybrids are not viable, what percentage would you expect us to have in common with a creature that evolved on a different planet ?.

Every creature on this planet features this combination of chemicals in its DNA, this is because the DNA evolved here, in effect it represents a certificate of earthliness. This is what led Carl Sagan to comment that a human is more likely to mate with a petunia than an alien.


whoever asked you how I know this obviously doesn't have the genetic understanding to answer their own question
so perhaps you should link them to the easily understood wiki page on the starchild skull which has recently been updated to include this
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starchild_skull#DNA_testing

perhaps you could also link us to the forum youve been posting my comments at so I can answer the question myself
:p
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Great answer, Marduk.

:o My apologies, I should have included a link immediately.

Forum: http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=1

Thread: http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83727
 
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Many posters here seem to think that Lloyd Pye is simply deluded and believes this nonsense himself, but I don't get that impression at all. Everything he's written at Mania.com has been a plea for money. When he was accused of shilling for his eBook (by asking that they spend $20 for it), he responded by saying he wasn't in it for the money and had even taken a "vow of poverty"--and then promptly laid out his need for half a million dollars.* He's a real piece of work.

He berates and ridicules his detractors, and praises supporters as "warriors in the battle for truth". And of course, the scientific community is a mean, closed-minded clique (you could see that one coming a mile away).


* $250,000 for DNA testing to prove that it's alien (not to find out if it's alien, but to prove it). His eBook already promises to have irrefutable proof, so I don't know why he would want money for further DNA testing. Do you? ;)

And another $250,000 for filming the tests to--get this--ensure the integrity of the testing process. Yeah, film is the standard method of ensuring honesty in science. There's no way a film could ever be shot/edited/manipulated to convey a false message.

Yep, he's a real piece of work.
 
Tumblehome said:
Many posters here seem to think that Lloyd Pye is simply deluded and believes this nonsense himself, but I don't get that impression at all. Everything he's written at Mania.com has been a plea for money. When he was accused of shilling for his eBook (by asking that they spend $20 for it), he responded by saying he wasn't in it for the money and had even taken a "vow of poverty"--and then promptly laid out his need for half a million dollars.* He's a real piece of work.

He berates and ridicules his detractors, and praises supporters as "warriors in the battle for truth". And of course, the scientific community is a mean, closed-minded clique (you could see that one coming a mile away).


* $250,000 for DNA testing to prove that it's alien (not to find out if it's alien, but to prove it). His eBook already promises to have irrefutable proof, so I don't know why he would want money for further DNA testing. Do you? ;)

And another $250,000 for filming the tests to--get this--ensure the integrity of the testing process. Yeah, film is the standard method of ensuring honesty in science. There's no way a film could ever be shot/edited/manipulated to convey a false message.

Yep, he's a real piece of work.
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The list of pseudo-scientific liars is long and undistinguished
:D

btw I have never though Lloyd deluded, retarded yes, deluded no
 
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Marduk said:
I'll pass thanks, you take care of it
:p

of course if hes really woo hes going to come back and say "aha thats why they Aliens used genetic engineering to create the Hybrid" at which point you say "how do you know that"
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Cheers, Marduk. I posted him a link to your reply.

Tumblehome said:
Many posters here seem to think that Lloyd Pye is simply deluded and believes this nonsense himself, but I don't get that impression at all. Everything he's written at Mania.com has been a plea for money. When he was accused of shilling for his eBook (by asking that they spend $20 for it), he responded by saying he wasn't in it for the money and had even taken a "vow of poverty"--and then promptly laid out his need for half a million dollars.* He's a real piece of work.

He berates and ridicules his detractors, and praises supporters as "warriors in the battle for truth". And of course, the scientific community is a mean, closed-minded clique (you could see that one coming a mile away).


* $250,000 for DNA testing to prove that it's alien (not to find out if it's alien, but to prove it). His eBook already promises to have irrefutable proof, so I don't know why he would want money for further DNA testing. Do you? ;)

And another $250,000 for filming the tests to--get this--ensure the integrity of the testing process. Yeah, film is the standard method of ensuring honesty in science. There's no way a film could ever be shot/edited/manipulated to convey a false message.

Yep, he's a real piece of work.
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Yep, I'd say he's pretty stupid to believe what he believes, and he's very stupid to try and rip people off.
 
If I was ripping off chumps, because I could, I'd like to believe that it was somehow good for the economy. And that the chump change would keep my sailboat afloat.

And, in so doing, would enable me and my "technicians: a life relatively free of menial labor, and thus free to discover ways to improve our overall human condition.


Too bad I couldn't stop there.
Too bad i also had to get her pregnant.


Oh well.


It's what makes us all equals in the eyes of the lord.
It really comes down to abortion or not.

I sacrificed my soul for the mistake of aborting Betty-Sue's baby.

Still,

I wish I'd had the where-with-all to turn down her charms at the onset.



(sure...easy to judge me. You weren't there. She was so cute, and insistent.)



Anyway, I've got a soft spot in my moral fiber for the Starchild Skull.


That could have been my baby.
 
orphia nay said:
Links:

Lloyd Pye asking readers for $20 for his ebook:
http://www.mania.com/235-degrees-mission-starchild_article_117463.html

Lloyd Pye saying he needs $250,000 for the DNA testing, and $250,000 for a film about the "Starchild":
http://www.mania.com/235-degrees-mission-starchild-part-deux_article_117560.html
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Thanks for posting those links. I guess I could have done it.:o

And just to clarify, the film is supposedly only to record the testing process to "ensure its integrity" (I feel dirty just writing that), but I have no doubt that the end result would be a full-blown production available to the highest bidder.
 
Marduk said:
ha, regular paternity testing costs around $100, how does he justify that amount ?:confused:
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This is what Pye says about it in the second link. Is there anything that makes sense in it?

Another thing to make clear about money is how much we need to make the final test happen. The 454 Life Science DNA recovery and evaluation of the data will be $250,000 US (150,000 pounds or 170,000 euros). However, that very high cost will produce most of the Starchild's genome, about 3 billion base pairs collected over 3-4 months. Then comes comparing it point-by-point with humans, chimps, gorillas, and soon Neanderthals. That comparison will show beyond any possible doubt, beyond any scientific weeping or wailing or gnashing of teeth, that the Starchild is not of this earth. This is an absolute lead-pipe cinch because there is not a single physical corollary between the Starchild skull and a normal human skull--not one! So there is no way its base pairs can be any closer to a human than a chimp or a gorilla.

In 2003 a primer-based DNA test showed the Starchild was a human-alien hybrid. Definite. So now it is inevitable that someone with "Deep Pockets" will grasp this reality and the test will get underway.
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Oh yes, it makes perfect sense that an alien-human hybrid would have more in common with a chimp or gorilla than with a human. :rolleyes:

Or in other words, his woo lacks internal consistency.
 
This is I think a mistake in woo thinking...
snip>"Then comes comparing it point-by-point with humans, chimps, gorillas, and soon Neanderthals. That comparison will show beyond any possible doubt, beyond any scientific weeping or wailing or gnashing of teeth, that the Starchild is not of this earth."

If it was found to be not of this eart why would science be gnashing teeth..it would be highly exciting and change so much knowledge and ideas. I dont think they think of science as something going forward but something staying set in the past, which is usually the stance of woo!
 
quarky said:
If I was ripping off chumps, because I could, I'd like to believe that it was somehow good for the economy. And that the chump change would keep my sailboat afloat.

And, in so doing, would enable me and my "technicians: a life relatively free of menial labor, and thus free to discover ways to improve our overall human condition.


Too bad I couldn't stop there.
Too bad i also had to get her pregnant.


Oh well.


It's what makes us all equals in the eyes of the lord.
It really comes down to abortion or not.

I sacrificed my soul for the mistake of aborting Betty-Sue's baby.

Still,

I wish I'd had the where-with-all to turn down her charms at the onset.



(sure...easy to judge me. You weren't there. She was so cute, and insistent.)



Anyway, I've got a soft spot in my moral fiber for the Starchild Skull.


That could have been my baby.
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Holy cow.

Even I have no idea what quarky was getting at here.

Jazz?
 
quarky said:
Holy cow.

Even I have no idea what quarky was getting at here.

Jazz?
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Don't forget to take your meds
:p

This is how well Lloyd understands human evolutionary theory

The truth is that some lengthy fossil timelines are missing, but many more are well accounted for. Those have been thoroughly examined in the past 140-plus years, to no avail. In any other occupation, a 140-year-long trek up a blind alley would indicate a wrong approach has been taken. But not to scientists. They blithely continue forward, convinced of the absolute rightness of their mission and confident their fabled missing link could be found beneath the next overturned rock. Sooner or later, they believe, one of their members will uncover it, so they all work in harmonious concert toward that common goal. Individually, though, it’s every man or woman for themselves.
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and laughably in more detail
Anthropologists are now left with only Homo Erectus as a possible direct ancestor for humans, and Erectus supposedly went extinct 300,000 years ago—100,000 before we appeared. Obviously, something had to give here, and—as in war—truth has been the first casualty. Recently anthropologists started reevaluating Homo Erectus fossils from Indonesia and guess what? They are now finding possible dates as early as 30,000 years ago, well beneath the 120,000 years ago Cro-Magnons first appeared in the fossil record. Such a surprise! However, scientists still have to account for our “sudden” appearance and our wide array of new traits never before seen among primates.
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Tumblehome said:
He berates and ridicules his detractors, and praises supporters as "warriors in the battle for truth". And of course, the scientific community is a mean, closed-minded clique (you could see that one coming a mile away).
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Don't they ever change their tunes?


I Am He
 
shandyjan said:
This is I think a mistake in woo thinking...
snip>"Then comes comparing it point-by-point with humans, chimps, gorillas, and soon Neanderthals. That comparison will show beyond any possible doubt, beyond any scientific weeping or wailing or gnashing of teeth, that the Starchild is not of this earth."

If it was found to be not of this eart why would science be gnashing teeth..it would be highly exciting and change so much knowledge and ideas. I dont think they think of science as something going forward but something staying set in the past, which is usually the stance of woo!
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The guy is wonderfully anti science.
 
Woo-hoo, look what showed up in my Facebook news feed

http://current.com/1g15n4c

Please understand that this result has now been verified several times, and a few more different fragments have been identified that cannot be matched in this database to anything known. Despite that fact, mainstream skeptics will be obligated by their positions to try to say it's some kind of gibberish or some kind of mistake because in their world view it simply can't be true.
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:mad:
 
Burning Beard said:
Woo-hoo, look what showed up in my Facebook news feed

http://current.com/1g15n4c



:mad:
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Oh I am surpised, the greatest news since the dawn of civilisation and its not in the national press, just on facebook.

well thats me totally convinced
:p
Next week we'll be looking at the various depths of life forms on planet earth to see which has sunk lower, Riftia pachyptila or Lloyd Pye
:D:D
 
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