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More same I can't believe in

Dorian Gray said:
Okay, Arizona can't make a state law about immigration because it's a federal power. Is legalizing marijuana completely a federal power? If so, then California can't do that. It's consistent. Feds don't like states infringing on their powers.

ETA: Answered my own question when I found this excellent article on this very topic.
http://www.cannabisnews.org/united-states-cannabis-news/legalizing-marijuana-the-federalist-way/
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This was my though. Its about federal vs state more than the issue of drug legalization.

However, I cannot read your link at work (probably because of source), but the difference is that IIRC immigration is very specifically a federal power per the Constitution, but drug policy has always been a mixture of state/federal and is not specifically mentioned belonging to either in the Constituttion.
 
cwalner said:
However, I cannot read your link at work (probably because of source), but the difference is that IIRC immigration is very specifically a federal power per the Constitution, but drug policy has always been a mixture of state/federal and is not specifically mentioned belonging to either in the Constituttion.
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So then.. we might have to wait for a federal raid in a Prop 19 world - then wait again while the legal battle afterward makes its way to the Supreme Court before the dust settles on the federal/state split on this eh?
 
Praktik said:
So then.. we might have to wait for a federal raid in a Prop 19 world - then wait again while the legal battle afterward makes its way to the Supreme Court before the dust settles on the federal/state split on this eh?
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The wheels of Justice turn slowly.

Although my main point was that this is more about a **** measuring contest between Feds and state than about the issue involved, and that the Arizona immigration case is not a great analogy because in immigration there is far more clarity about whose is bigger (The Feds win) than in drug law.
 
Argh. So frustrating you Yanks!

I'm just really annoyed than when the Liberals here in Canada were finally making good on decriminalization, the intense fury from the Bush admin scared us (I assume trade/border threats were made) and we dropped the amounts people would be allowed to have and this delayed the legislation...

...so long that when PM Crouton decided he wanted to get to the cottage early that summer and suspend Parliament, the bill died along with everything else that was waiting to be voted on!

Mexico wanted to decriminalize all drugs. Bush went nuts and worked on Fox to prevent it from coming to the floor. Same bill under Obama: not a peep, and now its law.

So when there's finally an American administration that doesn't treat it's neighbours like extensions of itself - we have a PM who won't EVER introduce that kind of legislation.

Talk about bad timing.

I can only hope you Americans can get the ball rolling with Prop 19!
 
Whiplash said:
I can't help but notice similarities here to the Bush presidency.

People on the right recognize that Bush was trying to bend over backwards to reach across the isle and pander to moderate voters. And yet everyone on the left thought he was Hitler.

Obama is bending over backwards to pander to moderate / right of center voters.. and most on the right label him a complete socialist out to take over the country and destroy everything they hold dear.

I don't understand this rabid line of thinking, from either side. It's just so blindly ideological. I think both these Presidents have demonstrated that they are far from the extreme left/right wing nutjobs that they are painted to be.
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I agree. The right answer for either man was to not try to pander to the fears of the other side of the aisle. Govern as though you meant it when you campaigned.
 
quixotecoyote said:
I think if he would move a bit to the left of center and stop trying to compete for the right of center voters, Obama would likely find more enthusiastic support.
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It is over for the Obama Administration. He couldn’t move right even if he wanted to. He is no Bill Clinton and it is too late for him to fool anyone.
 
Whiplash said:
I can't help but notice similarities here to the Bush presidency.

People on the right recognize that Bush was trying to bend over backwards to reach across the isle and pander to moderate voters. And yet everyone on the left thought he was Hitler.

Obama is bending over backwards to pander to moderate / right of center voters.. and most on the right label him a complete socialist out to take over the country and destroy everything they hold dear.

I don't understand this rabid line of thinking, from either side. It's just so blindly ideological. I think both these Presidents have demonstrated that they are far from the extreme left/right wing nutjobs that they are painted to be.
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Obama is not a socialist, HE’S A COMMUNIST, intellectually raise as a red by his grandfather Stanley Dunham, Frank Marshal Davis, and Bill Ayers.
 
Juniversal said:
Another problem with this nonsense of keeping marijuana illegal is people who want to smoke it have absolutely no problem finding it and will use it regardless if this measure passes or not. Just as they do now.

I love the weak excuses by Holder.

Holder said Thursday that California, by restricting the authority of state and local officers to seize marijuana, would interfere with efforts to "target drug traffickers who frequently distribute marijuana alongside cocaine and other controlled substances."
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They took an oath to enforce the laws of the land. If they fail to do so they can be impeached.
 
MaGZ said:
They took an oath to enforce the laws of the land. If they fail to do so they can be impeached.
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that is what I and Dorian Gray are getting at. It is Obama's duty to enforce Federal Laws. Prop 19 will make it no longer a violation of state law, so nothing to enforce, but there are also federal laws relating to it.

As Praktik indicated, this will likely take a raid followed by a suit going to the SCOTUS to sort this mess out.
 
Chaos said:
They wouldn´t be illegal if you decriminized them.
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We might have a couple of years of no drug laws but soon there would be a reaction from the non-libertarian right that would put an end to it. It would probably be in the form of a revolution. So if you are willing to take that chance in changing the drug laws …go for it and see the reaction.
 
MaGZ said:
Prohibition does work, it is just that you have to kill a lot of people to make it work. Look at how China dealt with its drug problem.
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Hmmm - I dunno about you guys but I'm not sure anyone other than a communist would point to current communist policy in RED China as something to be admired.

Was your dad a marxist MaGZ?
 
MaGZ said:
Prohibition does work, it is just that you have to kill a lot of people to make it work. Look at how China dealt with its drug problem.
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Really? Because isn't every drug that is currently illegal undergoing prohibition?
 
MaGZ said:
It is over for the Obama Administration. He couldn’t move right even if he wanted to. He is no Bill Clinton and it is too late for him to fool anyone.
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Don't know what you mean by "he's no Bill Clinton" but Obama is very much like Clinton in terms of his brand of Liberalism. The difference is over ten years later many Americans aren't satisfied with more of the same.
 
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