Molten Steel

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Christopher7 said:
The pictures, indoors and out that have plenty of sunlight, show aluminum pouring silver.
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Not only does the intellectual coward not admit his lie, he proceeds to repeat it.

Sweet baby jesus

Was the stuff pouring from the tower in sunlight or shade?
 
Christopher7 said:
Proof? What proof?
WhiteLion posted a couple of pictures he says are aluminum pouring red. He did not provide any documentation to confirm that.
Your idea of proof is some anonymous poster claiming to be an expert and expecting us to take their word as proof. No sale.
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Your idea of proof is an anonymous non expert making stuff up and repeating it.

BTW - You said they were aluminium also, back up a few posts. Keep up.
 
Christopher7 said:
Proof? What proof?
WhiteLion posted a couple of pictures he says are aluminum pouring red. He did not provide any documentation to confirm that.
Your idea of proof is some anonymous poster claiming to be an expert and expecting us to take their word as proof. No sale.
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Irony. It's wasted on the stupid.
 
funk de fino said:
Was the stuff pouring from the tower in sunlight or shade?
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It was in shade, not in the dark. Do you know the difference?
This photo is of molten aluminum 'in the shade'.

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Christopher7 said:
You are both ignoring these facts:
The majority of the core was elevator shafts and air ducts.
There is very little to burn in hallways and washrooms.
The available fuel [office contents] was spread out resulting in less fuel per sq. ft. of floor space.

Given the limited amount of fuel in the core area, the limited areas where there was any fuel at all, and the fact that fires in the core area would be oxygen starved, there is no justification for speculating that the core columns exceeded 250°C

[qimg]http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1596/coreareafloorplan.jpg[/qimg]
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Hey Chris:
Where are those masive core columns in this diagram? Or did you finially admit they were bases for the cranes?
 
Gravy said:
This aluminum pour is obviously fake.

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Note how close the vessel is to the mold. The metal is silvery sometimes. The red is the reflection from the vessel.

In this photo, the aluminum is far enough from the vessel to show its true color in daylight.

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Same thing inside a building.

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Let's not forget the NIST FAQ FARCE

[FONT=&quot]"Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."[/FONT]

There is NO scientific basis for this assumption.
 
Christopher7 said:
Note how close the vessel is to the mold. The metal is silvery sometimes. The red is the reflection from the vessel.
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You Do have an answer for everything. No wonder you believe what you believe; you can talk yourself into ANYTHING.
 
Christopher7 said:
It was in shade, not in the dark. Do you know the difference?
This photo is of molten aluminum 'in the shade'.

[qimg]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3774/pouringaluminuminsidesi.jpg[/qimg]
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Stop ignoring the ones outside and the ones which are not washed.

People use flashes inside C7

There is as much light on some of WhiteLions pics as there is in your tower video

Its a whole different ball game cherrypicking photos than it is cherrypicking people words eh?
 
Christopher7 said:
This photo is of molten aluminum 'in the shade'.
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Well, while I have not negated that photo to also be aluminum, let me act like you for a second:

*You offer no documentation to support what the silver colored metal in the foundry photo is."

"Where is the scientific experiment and the paper detailing the results?"
 
As a curiosa, here are some pictures of molten glass.

*http://www.tequilasource.com/sultanadevidrio/pics/molten-glass_4322_r2.jpg
*http://www.tradebit.com/usr/stock-photos/pub/9002/106523.jpg
(decided the above ones were too big to insert as image-icons here.)

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Claiming that molten aluminum can only appear in actual silvery colour is as demonstrably wrong as to claim molten glass is supposed to be transparent, colourless and clear. Such claims tend to be made by certain people, on these issues, ignoring another aspect which is important to note; when you melt aluminum it starts to oxidize upon exposure to air and the emissivity of this is .44 compared to regular steel which is .35, so any notable degree of impurities (oil etc) will render a lot of oxidation of the molt and it will glow orange, pink, yellow depending on the temperature. Anyone with any experience from a foundry that handles this stuff could tell you that.
 
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WhiteLion said:
Well, while I have not negated that photo to also be aluminum, let me act like you for a second:

*You offer no documentation to support what the silver colored metal in the foundry photo is."

"Where is the scientific experiment and the paper detailing the results?"
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Fair question. As you know, I don't have documentation.

The fact that molten aluminum is silver in daylight has been established and is accepted by everyone including NIST.

NIST FAQ: "[FONT=&quot]Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"

[/FONT]1) There is no precedent or scientific evidence that aluminum can mix with organic materials.

2) Their baseless theory does not explain the predominate yellow in the falling molten metal.

The only known explanation for the yellow molten metal is steel.

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The concrete for the floors of the WTC were poured into pans.

What type of metal were these pans made from? We are currently using galvanised steel for such pans on the job I am working. Galvanised steel has a much lower melting point than steel (785° F (419° C)). Is it possible (if the material was galvanised steel) that some of these pans that became dislodged from the aircraft impact, melted and contributed to the molten metal flowing down the side of the building?

Post collpase it could be possible that these pans could have melted if they were made out of galvanised steel. Hence, there was molten galvanised steel, but no molten steel beams?

My metallurgical skills are non-existant, so I could be way off here.
 
Christopher7 said:
It was in shade, not in the dark. Do you know the difference?
This photo is of molten aluminum 'in the shade'.

[qimg]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3774/pouringaluminuminsidesi.jpg[/qimg]
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You are blatantly dishonest. You have been given other photos that show it orange.

here some poured outside not even shaded

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twinstead said:
Cool. Apparently, that gives you something in common with Chris then.
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! And that is where the similarities END!!!!

I believe 100% in the governmenst official account. I am just querying the metal type used for the pans. I am uncertain to this. On my construction site we are using galvanised steel pans which has a melting point of 785° F (419° C). I am asking is it possible that those pans from the WTC could have melted?

This could be used to show truthers that the ssource for molten metal may have come from here.
 
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