Molten Steel

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Gravy said:
Christopher7 is once again unaware of the body of work produced by competent researchers in this field, none of whom have committed "vocational suicide."

Investigations leading to alternate tower collapse hypotheses, and critiques of NIST's WTC investigation by knowledgeable people who are not conspiracy theorists: FEMA/ASCE, Arup Fire, University of Edinburgh, Usmani, Torero, Lane, Cherepanov, Quintiere, Corbett, Mackey, Greening
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You would like to subject shift to an endless subjective debate about job security.

This was spawned by a false statement that since Mr. Voorsanger hasn't commented on this subject since then he has changed his mind.

This is just a way to dodge the inconvienent truth that the "meteorite" is:
"molten steel and concrete and all these things all fused by the heat into one single element"


Your refusal to accept this statement or any statement confirming molten steel proves that you are either disingenuous or in denial.
 
Christopher7 said:
You would like to subject shift to an endless subjective debate about job security.

This was spawned by a false statement that since Mr. Voorsanger hasn't commented on this subject since then he has changed his mind.

This is just a way to dodge the inconvienent truth that the "meteorite" is:
"molten steel and concrete and all these things all fused by the heat into one single element"


Your refusal to accept this statement or any statement confirming molten steel proves that you are either disingenuous or in denial.
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Clearly, Mr. Voorsanger is right about the "one single element" bit, and everybody else is wrong. Either the single statement, years ago, that agrees with C7 is correct and everybody else who has looked at the "meteorite" is wrong, or you guys are meanies and are calling Mr. V. a liar! The photographs showing that the object is not "one single element" are all photoshopped, or you guys are meanies and are calling Mr. V. a liar! A non-technical description by a non-expert could not possibly be anything less than absolutely correct, and you guys are meanies and are calling Mr. V. a liar!

C7, my statement was based on your admission that Mr. V. would not, today, agree with his statements of years ago. If you think he actually would agree, you should seek him out and ask him, but the "false statement" you speak of was A) not false and B) based on your own admission. You should not say such things if you do not want them used against you.

You are, clearly and simply, a liar. You lie deliberately, purposefully, and knowingly; your own words make that far more clear than Mr. V's statement of years ago.
 
stateofgrace said:
So the same conditions that produced molten metal under WTC 1, 2 and 7 also occurred under WTC 6, right?
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Of course. That's why the aluminum alloy wheels of those cars in the parking garage melted: the dastardly inside job terrorists ran around putting thermite on the car wheels. There's very little that they didn't think of, those dastardly inside job terrorists...except that an army of dimwits – and only an army of dimwits – would uncover their whole nefarious plot!
 
Mercutio said:
Clearly, Mr. Voorsanger is right about the "one single element" bit, and everybody else is wrong.
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You've never heard of Rubbleium? It's between Rustoleum and Unobtanium on the periodic table.
 
Mercutio said:
Clearly, Mr. Voorsanger is right about the "one single element" bit, and everybody else is wrong. Either the single statement, years ago, that agrees with C7 is correct
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The statement does not agree with me, I accept the statement as being true.

everybody else who has looked at the "meteorite" is wrong,
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Only those people who deny that there was molten steel in the "meteorite". No one other than the the people here deny that there was molten steel in the "meteorite". That is rather telling.

C7, my statement was based on your admission that Mr. V. would not, today, agree with his statements of years ago
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Hogwash.

If you think he actually would agree, you should seek him out and ask him,
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Why do you think he has changed his mind?

You are, clearly and simply, a liar. You lie deliberately, purposefully, and knowingly; your own words make that far more clear than Mr. V's statement of years ago.
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Forum rules forbid name calling yet you call me a liar in every post.

From now on, I will not respond to any post in which you call me a liar.

Have a nice day. :)
 
stateofgrace said:
Speculation as to why and how aside, you are now claiming that thermite was also used in WTC 6, right?
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I am not claiming it was thermite. I am only pointing out that there is no other explanation for the molten steel. Do you have another explanation for the molten steel?
 
Christopher7 said:
The only known cause of the molten metal is thermite. Don't ask me to speculate on how or why thermite was used in WTC 6.
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Ok, actually, this post is brilliant, for two simple details--the "known" and the "the" in "the molten metal".

Without supporting his claim, C7 here asserts "known" with regard to one of the most insane theories (in a competition with space weapons, that is saying something) ever to have been advanced in absence of any evidence whatsoever. On the other hand, "the" allows him to assert molten metal--which may have been aluminum--vaguely enough that he can later pretend that everyone knew it was steel (eta: This was composed before C7's more recent posts, in which he actually does call the molten metal steel--I called it, but the time stamp won't show. Sad...). It truly is brilliant, and is subtle enough that one may infer that he is not merely ignorant, but is deliberately obfuscating. Again, the evidence shows that C7 is a liar.

I seriously am considering nominating this for a language award; it is a brilliant use of simple tactics in order to present an out-and-out lie.
 
Christopher7 said:
The statement does not agree with me, I accept the statement as being true.
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Brilliant! Beautiful phrasing! Of course, the statement is not true, but your accepting it is a stroke of ... what's that word? Not genius... villainy.
Only those people who deny that there was molten steel in the "meteorite". No one other than the the people here deny that there was molten steel in the "meteorite". That is rather telling.
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Could you list the people who assert that there was molten steel in the "m"? Anyone other than Mr. V and yourself? Not simply "do not deny", but actively assert?
Hogwash.
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Remember, your post is in this thread. Anyone can read it.
Why do you think he has changed his mind?
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I don't know that he has, but I suspect that he has because he was wrong, and he is not an idiot.

But I am absolutely willing to be proven wrong on this--please, C7, feel free to ask him if he still stands by his initial statement of years ago. (Yes, you have already said he would not, but you have not actually asked him, have you?)
Forum rules forbid name calling yet you call me a liar in every post.
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The truth is a defense. I do not simply call you a liar, I demonstrate that you are lying, and that you are lying knowingly and deliberately. I meet the burden of proof to call you a liar, so using the term is trivial.
From now on, I will not respond to any post in which you call me a liar.
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From now on, I will not call you a liar unless you lie. In this post, for instance, you have lied. Liar.
Have a nice day. :)
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I will do you the favor of assuming you are more honest in this than in your other statements, and thank you.
 
chris,

Christopher7 said:
You can play word games if you like but that will not change the facts.

Mr. Voorsanger said:"molten steel and concrete and all these things all fused by the heat into one single element"

"I think it must have fallen far enough away from the internal fires within the center of the towers that it was not melted."

He knows what he is talking about.
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No he doesn't, chris. He's an architect. He's not a chemist. He's not a metallurgist. He's not a cement-ologist. He's not a steel-ologist. He's not a "what the heck is that thing crushed in the bottom of that building"-ologist either.

He's an artist.

Christopher7 said:
He knows what he is talking about. You are not qualified nore are you in a position to second guess him. He was there.
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Well, chris. Now that you mention it, let's talk about a whole bunch o' REAL experts, giving solid analyses in their own field of expertise. I'm talking about the several hundred PhDs & Professional Engineers and scientists that were enlisted by NIST to help with their study. They did a great study. You should check it out.

You, chris, are clearly "not in a position to second guess them".

chris
 
Hokulele said:
Do that and I will promote nothing but limericks to the finals for the next three months...
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I once nominated at Genghis Pwn post, for similar reasons. It was a wonderful use of language, albeit to cowardly and deceitful ends. And back then, I was running the language award...

besides which... I rather like limericks.
 
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Mercutio said:
I once nominated at Genghis Pwn post, for similar reasons. It was a wonderful use of language, albeit to cowardly and deceitful ends. And back then, I was running the language award...
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Mercutio, with subtle slyness,
Trying to nominate cowardice,
Is told, "That's not fine."
He sings Auld Lang Syne,
Yet time marches on irregardless*.





* - Intentional, just to annoy the Powers-That-Be. And I'll be damned if I spend any more time working out the meter.
 
C7 said:
Mr. Voorsanger said:"molten steel and concrete and all these things all fused by the heat into one single element"

"I think it must have fallen far enough away from the internal fires within the center of the towers that it was not melted."

He knows what he is talking about.
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tfk said:
No he doesn't, chris. He's an architect. He's not a chemist. He's not a metallurgist. He's not a cement-ologist. He's not a steel-ologist. He's not a "what the heck is that thing crushed in the bottom of that building"-ologist either.
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So what? Your implication that yo have to be some kind of expert to recognize molten steel is simply not true. He was at ground zero. He knew the center of the towers area was hot enough to melt steel. He could see steel and solidified molten steel in the "meteorite".

Only the fanatic defenders of the Official Collapse Theory on this forum doubt what Mr. Voorsanger said.


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