Molten Steel

Status
Not open for further replies.
A W Smith said:
Yes it was molten back in the day before it came out of the steel mill. I'm shocked!

Oh and the government told him? He couldn't see any molten steel himself?
Click to expand...
The nice man in the video told all of us.

None of us can tell one way or the other by looking at a couple photos.
 
Last edited:
Gravy said:
NIST analyzed three pieces from that tower column, K-16, in addition to the one that FEMA had examined.
Click to expand...
Doublespeak. They took 3 pieces from Sample #2

Richard Gage thought FEMA had 3 Samples and evidently so did you or you would have corrected him. You were both wrong about that so don't be calling him incompetent.

Richard Gage is talking about the FEMA Samples #1 & #2* that he shows on his website. So are you.

[Gage] repeatedly claims that NIST did not discuss the unusual erosion of three pieces of steel found in the piles*. Not only did NIST discuss that, the report spends several pages on it, and NIST did an independent analysis of the samples*.


Gage says this about the three pieces of steel that were preserved because they showed an anomalous eutectic formation*, which occurred at temperatures far below the melting point of steel: "FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples*"

Not only are these* strangely-eroded pieces* discussed for several pages in NCSTAR 1-3C, but NIST did their own analysis* that resulted in several different conclusions from FEMA's analysis.
 
Last edited:
Christopher7 said:
I don't know.

You dodged the truth. The government said there was molten metal in the meteorite. So why all the doubt and discussion?
Click to expand...

I never dodged anything. I have not commented on your claims. You have introduced it as a dodge to my question.

I am asking you a question and you are dodging it.

What do you think eroded that piece of steel I have posted?

You seem to think it is OK to comment on things by looking at them.
 
rebar reinforcing

Would the 110 one-acre 4'' thick concrete floors of he WTC have had uniform rebar reinforcing lattices ? Because if they did have where were they in the rubble pile ? I don't think we could have missed 110 tangled acres of those lattices do you ? It's almost like they evaporated into thin air. I wonder what could have caused that ?
 
Last edited:
bill smith said:
Would the 110 one-acre 4'' thick concrete floors of he WTC have had uniform rebar reinforcing lattices ? Because if they did have where were they in the rubble pile ? I don't think we could have missed 110 tangled acres of those lattices do you ? It's almost like they evaporated into thin air. I wonder what could have caused that ?
Click to expand...

So you believe that mats of rebar. No thicker than your thumb. In a four inch slab of lightweight concrete. Should somehow remain recognizable after a 110 story building collapse like some bizarre macreme pot holder?
 
Christopher7 said:
I don't know.

You dodged the truth. The government said there was molten metal in the meteorite. So why all the doubt and discussion?
Click to expand...

You said the government always lies. Nice try, Chris, but no cigar.

In the meantime, Chris, you know it's concrete, you know that it makes no sense for it to be "re-solidified molten metal." You know Steven Jones can't be your hero.

Be a man. Admit your mistake.
 
A W Smith said:
So you believe that mats of rebar. No thicker than your thumb. In a four inch slab of lightweight concrete. Should somehow remain recognizable after a 110 story building collapse like some bizarre macreme pot holder?
Click to expand...

How WOULD it look then ?
 
bill smith said:
Didn't see any rebar mats. 110 ACRES....that's a bit hard to swallow.
Click to expand...

Thats my point! you aren't going to see any! The rebar is the thinnest reinforcing element you would expect to see in the towers. Is it any surprise that its shredded beyond recognition? Can you even recognize any trusses in that rubble pile? You fail to grasp the scale of the WTC towers. I was there when they existed. I cannot imagine the destructive force from 110 acre size slabs falling on top of each other starting from a quarter mile height. Accelerating to over 100 mph on their way down. Do you really expect to see acre size mats? Thats like a child sneaking downstairs expecting to see Santa climb out of their fireplace.
 
A W Smith said:
Thats my point! you aren't going to see any! The rebar is the thinnest reinforcing element you would expect to see in the towers.
Click to expand...
Most of the concrete in the 220 (not 110) floors was reinforced with wire mesh, not rebar.

Can you even recognize any trusses in that rubble pile?
Click to expand...
Yes, but you have to know what you're looking at. Truss material, floor pans, concrete, and wire mesh are all visible in this photo:

3328952729_69aceb7f15_o.jpg



This is about as good as a truss will look:
3329794422_4932da20a0_o.jpg


Oh, and please don't feed the trolls. :)
 
Last edited:
I want to ask bill how he thinks all this nano-thermite could have gotten into the building how they managed to spray acres and acres of the stuff to the concrete floors while the building was occupied. Did the NWO ask companies to suspend their business for a week at a time so they could remove all the office furniture etc and spray thermite around? Thermite like any fine powder is actually dangerous to handle because it can act as an explosive (no not in the way truthers think but when it's finely mixed with air, custard powder and chapati flour are good examples), how do you spray it without lots of fine dust being released.

Also how was this stuff "wired up". Thermite is hard to ignite so you'd need a device capable of doing that. How many of these devices were required per floor? How long would it take to prep each floor?
 
Last edited:
bje said:
You said the government always lies.
Click to expand...
Show where I said that. :)

In the meantime, Chris, you know it's concrete, you know that it makes no sense for it to be "re-solidified molten metal."
Click to expand...
The government scientists say there's molten metal in the meteorite. Yes, the govt. falsifies scientific documents but not this one. This one confirms molten metal and NIST doesn't deal with that.

I'm going with what the government says about the meteorite. Their data has been mostly accurate, it's their analysis that sucks. The meteorite is fused together by extreme heat. Compaction alone cannot make a solid chunk like that.
 
Last edited:
Christopher7 said:
The government scientists say there's molten metal in the meteorite. Yes, the govt. falsifies scientific documents but not this one. This one confirms molten metal and NIST doesn't deal with that.
Click to expand...

You forgot to provide the evidence. I thought you might want a reminder.

I'm going with what the government says about the meteorite.
Click to expand...
We're still waiting for you to provide us the source of what the government says. Gosh, this must be really tough for you, Chris.

Their data has been mostly accurate, it's their analysis that sucks.
Click to expand...
As accurate, or less so, than Steven Jones's false claims about the "meteorite?" Oh, I forgot, you're forbidden to comment on Steven Jones's false claims.

The meteorite is fused together by extreme heat. Compaction alone cannot make a solid chunk like that.
Click to expand...
Sorry to keep bringing up reality, but what is the source for your claim, Chris? Obviously, answering questions is really hard for you, isn't it? Apparently, it's audacious to presume you should have to answer questions about your claims.
 
rebar vs. wire mesh reinforcing

I can't see the point in putting wire mesh into a concrete floor. After all the urpose is to reinforce. So I am surprised hey did not use rebar. Even with wire mesh it would be unusual not to see any in the rubble. There WAS 110 scres of it and we all know how even 110 acres of chickenwire would be sticking out every which way.
 
Last edited:
bill smith said:
I can't see the point in putting wire mesh into a concrete floor. After all the urpose is to reinforce. So I am surprised hey did not use rebar.
Click to expand...

Perhaps you should become a building consultant then, and wander around telling professionals how to do their job better?

bill smith said:
Even with wire mesh it would be unusual not to see any in the rubble. There WAS 110 scres of it and we all know how even 110 acres of chickenwire would be sticking out every which way.
Click to expand...

Gravy provided a photo of some, a few posts above. Did you not see it? Here's another :

anglecutmeshcropped.jpg
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom