Molten Steel

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I think I might take the photo AW smith has posted and actually point out the features with a critic as to why they indicate the lack of evidence for liquid metal. I'm probably wasting my time because I don't think truthers are interested in anything that doesn't support their case but at least they could then look at the points and try to make an argument.

I'm interested to see what parts of the "meteorite" indicate that liquid metal was present. It's easy to put arrows onto a photo to point out where the evidence is. Can any truther do that?
 
Christopher7 said:
Here's a video, start at 2:18

"Temperatures as hot as the inner Earth!" :jaw-dropp
OK, so Brian Williams isn't Mr. Science but this video shows some different angles.
[FONT=&quot]9/11: Remains of the day - Nightly News with Brian Williams- msnbc.com[/FONT]
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More hyperbole, its what newsmen do. Tell me Christopher. If this alleged "meteorite" was formed due to exposure to heat "as hot as the inner earth" whatever the hell that means. Why does it only show a few "carbonized" pieces of office paper. And no examples of "molten steel"? The entire object would show evidence of molten steel instead of some charred piece of paper on the right side corner underneath a flap of metal facing east hidden from the view of mere mortal men. Surely some superhuman "truther" should be able to turn up a single clear image of molten steel on any one of those "meteorites"?? Got evidence truther?
 
bje said:
Steven Jones has refused to acknowledge has any concrete in it whatsoever.

Let me point you to his three-year old claim again:

Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?

See page 9:
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The following photograph has become available, evidently showing the now-solidified metal with entrained material, stored (as of November 2005) in a warehouse in New York:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t65/bjebje/Clipboard01.jpg

Are you going to continue to evade the issue like Steven Jones has done for 3 years, Chris, or provide us with the source for your claims?
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Steve hasn't been evading you. The answer is in the next sentence under the photo.

"The abundance of iron (as opposed to aluminum) in this material is indicated by the reddish rust observed."
Steven Jones is saying the red stuff is iron and so by extension he is saying that the gray parts are NOT iron. Are you with me so far?
The gray parts are obviously floor slabs. [concrete]
"Steven Jones has refused to acknowledge has any concrete in it whatsoever."

Prof. Jones thought you could figure that part out for yourself, silly Steve. :boggled:




Step up to the plate, Chris, and stop playing games.
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Isn't that ironic? :rolleyes:
 
A W Smith said:
"as hot as the inner earth" whatever the hell that means.
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It's quite amusing isn't it. The estimates for the temperature of the earth's core generally range from 5000-6000K. Some go as high as 7000K and some lower 4000K and I've investigoogled one as low as 2300-4800K.
 
SJ said:
The abundance of iron (as opposed to aluminum) in this material is indicated by the reddish rust observed."
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He could be saying abundance of iron over aluminium. He could be saying the grey stuff is aluminium. You are projecting.

SJ said:
now-solidified metal with entrained material
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Why does he not say " the mass of concrete with trapped iron parts inside it"

Why does he only mention the metal? Because he is a misleading fraud.
 
A W Smith said:
More hyperbole, its what newsmen do.
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Do tell.
Got evidence truther?
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Let's take a closer look.
[Sorry about the size but clarity is of the essence]

It appears to be mostly iron. Some of it has shape, some of it dosen't.
[The people in the background give a sense of scale.]

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funk de fino said:
He could be saying abundance of iron over aluminium. He could be saying the grey stuff is aluminium. You are projecting.
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You are dreaming.
In the video they say this is 4 floors crushed down. The gray stuff is concrete.

Why does he not say " the mass of concrete with trapped iron parts inside it"
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Because it appears to be mostly iron.

Why does he only mention the metal? Because he is a misleading fraud.
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Now you are reaching for a star.
 
Christopher7 said:
Do tell.
Let's take a closer look.
[Sorry about the size but clarity is of the essence]

It appears to be mostly iron. Some of it has shape, some of it dosen't.
[The people in the background give a sense of scale.]


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There appears to be iron in it. But it appears to be mostly concrete.
 
Rust, we have all seen it.

Christopher7 said:
Do tell.
Let's take a closer look.
[Sorry about the size but clarity is of the essence]

It appears to be mostly iron. Some of it has shape, some of it dosen't.
[The people in the background give a sense of scale.]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5989/meteorite.jpg

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Sorry about the size Chris, But those concrete blocks to the right appear to be mostly iron, Perhaps they were formed in the devils concrete block plant using temperatures as hot as the earths inner core?

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I've never seen rust stains on concrete. So it must be mostly iron.

Maybe it's irony?
 
Christopher7 said:
Steve hasn't been evading you. The answer is in the next sentence under the photo.

"The abundance of iron (as opposed to aluminum) in this material is indicated by the reddish rust observed."
Steven Jones is saying the red stuff is iron and so by extension he is saying that the gray parts are NOT iron. Are you with me so far?
The gray parts are obviously floor slabs. [concrete]
"Steven Jones has refused to acknowledge has any concrete in it whatsoever."

Prof. Jones thought you could figure that part out for yourself, silly Steve. :boggled:
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Funk de Fino already responded with the obvious.

Read carefully what Steven Jones wrote: "The following photograph has become available, evidently showing the now-solidified metal with entrained material, stored (as of November 2005) in a warehouse in New York:"

No mention of concrete. No mention of "obvious floor slabs." The only thing we have from Steven Jones is:

"The abundance of iron (as opposed to aluminum) in this material is indicated by the reddish rust observed. When a sample is obtained, a range of characterization techniques will quickly give us information we seek. X-ray energy dispersive spectrometry (XEDS) will yield the elemental composition, and electron energy-loss spectroscopy will tell us the elements found in very small amounts that were undetectable with XEDS. Electron-backscattered diffraction in the scanning electron microscope will give us phase information; the formation of certain precipitates can tell us a minimum temperature the melt must have reached."
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Now, Chris, what is that Steven Jones wants readers of this paper to think? Does he want readers to think there is concrete in this block of material? Or does he want readers to think it is a block of "now-solidified metal" (with more iron than other metals like aluminum) with other stuff in it and tests will tell "a minimum temperature the melt must have reached?"

Don't you think it would be far more productive for you to admit that you are going nowhere with your claim and concede the point, Chris?
 
Chris,

There is no sign from you that you are willing to back up your claim with any source that molten metal can solidify around steel rebar without melting the rebar.

How long are you going to put off providing your source for your claim?
 
JimBenArm said:
I've never seen rust stains on concrete. So it must be mostly iron.

Maybe it's irony?
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Oh the stupid, it burns, it burns I tell ya! It is so obvious that alot of this "meteorite" is stained with rust yet they think it's an indication of solid iron. :confused:
 
Sunstealer said:
Oh the stupid, it burns, it burns I tell ya! It is so obvious that alot of this "meteorite" is stained with rust yet they think it's an indication of solid iron. :confused:
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GStan
There appears to be iron in it. But it appears to be mostly concrete.

A W Smith
But those concrete blocks to the right appear to be mostly iron.

JimBenArm
I've never seen rust stains on concrete. So it must be mostly iron.

Grizzly Bear
and...
and...
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and these no less speak volumes about the rust...

bje
Now, Chris, what is that Steven Jones wants readers of this paper to think?

He just wants you to think but I fear he was expecting too much of you guys.

Sunstealer
It is so obvious that a lot of this "meteorite" is stained with rust yet they think it's an indication of solid iron.

No, he did not say or indicate that it was solid iron.
What we have here is a failure to communicate. :rolleyes:


 
Looking back, there's been a few times I've had to replace pre stressed lintols. If any moisture gets to the rebar it rusts and expands breaking up the concrete. If there's been any water running through then generally there's quite a bit of staining on the concrete inside the cracks. I take it there was a fair bit of water running through the debris and over these items prior to removal.
 
c7 - where did find that pic of the "meteorite"!! i havent come across that pic anywhere near that quality. i dont even think they have that quality of a shot at ae911.
 
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