Molten Steel

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Senenmut said:
c7 - where did find that pic of the "meteorite"!! i havent come across that pic anywhere near that quality. i dont even think they have that quality of a shot at ae911.
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Some wonderful person here posted the link to SJ's paper so I checked it out and there it was on page 9.
 
with c7's quality shot of the "meteorite" , im going to go back and check out gravies shot. they look similar but are they one and the same.
 
alexi_drago said:
Looking back, there's been a few times I've had to replace pre stressed lintols. If any moisture gets to the rebar it rusts and expands breaking up the concrete. If there's been any water running through then generally there's quite a bit of staining on the concrete inside the cracks. I take it there was a fair bit of water running through the debris and over these items prior to removal.
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That guy in the government cleared video thought there was previously molten metal, but what do they know?
 
I had the chance to go back to Hangar 17 today and settle this once and for all. Here's a definitive photo:

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Steven Jones was notified by email of his deception and wholly inadequate "meteorite" photo in 2006 or early 2007. I know he read that because he acknowledged it. Yet he never changed his paper to reflect this new information. That's because he's an honest little Mormon, not a lying creep, right?

Why doesn't Christopher7 contact Steven Jones for an explanation? Perhaps he will invoke the doctrine of Al Takfir wal Hijra or Ketman, which permits lying when one believes one's life is in danger.
 
Christopher7 said:
Looks like it might have been a caterpillar at one time. :)
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You are happy to judge low res pics of meteorites and claim molten metal.

What do you think caused the erosion of the piece I have posted?

Do you think it was molten at any time?

Dodge noted
 
funk de fino said:
No, you made a mistake. You were corrected. Everyone makes them.
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You are extremely generous IMO. When someone still hasn't read the NIST report but insists on arguing about what's in it and calling people liars who did take the time to read it, they are not making an innocent "mistake." That's not the kind of thing that everyone does. It's deliberate ignorance and dishonesty, as with Richard Gage:

"FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples"..."Fire doesn't do this to steel." NIST "Threw this documentation out the window. It went as far as the world trade center, landing 500, 600 feet away." (laughs)

"This one got burned up by all the molten metal I suppose. "It's nowhere to be found in the NIST report."
 
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In your picture I have circled sections where once can see the aggregate (i.e. stones) of the concrete slabs. I have poured thousands of cubic meters of concrete in my life and looking at this conglomerate of materials, i can see rebar and concrete. The rebar has rusted, which would be expected since it would have been exposed to water (to put out the fires) and air. And since New York City is a coastal city, I would expect the rebar to rust relatively quickly in such climates. My construction site is currently locate about a 1000 miles from the sea and if we have rebar that sits out in the open for longer than two weeks it begins to rust. Stress points in the rebar, such as bends, rust much more sooner. I remember my materials science lecturer gave us the reason for why stressed steel rusts quicker, but can't remember it to well. Something about displaced molecules.

The reddish areas are difficult to make out, because of the detail of the photograph. Anyone have a zoomed in photo of a red area? Two of my ellipses are in the red areas. Zooming in as best as I can, it appears one can make out the aggregate of the concrete. A better photograph concentrating on this area will be more definitive.

However, C7, nothing in that photo looks like molten metal. How could y12 or y16 (can't say for sure what the bar diameter is) maintain its round shape (cross-sectional), if all the metal around it was melted? Why did the rebar not melt as well? How could it stay round? Surely some cross-sectional deformation of the rebar would be expected, if it was immersed in a pool of molten metal? The rebar maintained its ridges, which enhance bond with the concrete. How could those ridges have survived? Any explanation to this? Or will my post be ignored?

Edit: I'm far too lazy to set post photo's properly, but you can see where I put my circles and refer back to your photo and look carefully at the areas I highlited.
 

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Gravy said:
When someone still hasn't read the NIST report but insists on arguing about what's in it and calling people liars who did take the time to read it, they are not making an innocent "mistake."
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I read the NCSTAR 1-3C you said analyzed both samples and they did not analyze both samples so cut the phony indignation. You lied about what it said.
 
buka001 said:
In your picture I have circled sections where once can see the aggregate (i.e. stones) of the concrete slabs.
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The man in the video said there was [previously] molten metal in the meteorite. He got his info from the government. You are looking at photos and saying you know better. That's chutzpa! :D
 
funk de fino said:
You are happy to judge low res pics of meteorites and claim molten metal.

What do you think caused the erosion of the piece I have posted?

Do you think it was molten at any time?

Dodge noted
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Dude, I'm not claiming molten metal in the meteorite, the government says there's molten metal in the meteorite.
 
funk de fino said:
Dodge noted again.

How about that steel I have posted? What do you think did that?

Was it molten at anytime?
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I don't know.

You dodged the truth. The government said there was molten metal in the meteorite. So why all the doubt and discussion?
 
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Christopher7 said:
The man in the video said there was [previously] molten metal in the meteorite. He got his info from the government. You are looking at photos and saying you know better. That's chutzpa! :D
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Yes it was molten back in the day before it came out of the steel mill. I'm shocked!

Oh and the government told him? He couldn't see any molten steel himself?
 
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