Molten Steel

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Dave Rogers said:
Again, for the lurkers, bill smith is indulging in his usual practice of making something up, assuming it to be incontestable fact, then claiming that his fantasy is grounds for suspicion.
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Psst! Any lurkers who can't see that for themselves, can't be helped by our explanation. :D
 
''Lurkers''

On behalf of some of my fellow posters I apologise to those people who may be quietly following the exchanges on this forum. 'Lurker' is clearly a derogatory term.For myself I think of you as ''concerned citizens' or at the very least 'interested observers'. So once gain. my apologies and I hope those naughty posters will take my advice and cease and desist with the reference. We will see in due course if my words have had the desired effect.
 
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bill smith said:
As I understand it concrete never fully cures and so will probably retain a residual amount of water. Perhaps the surface of the floors could have been sprayed at night with nanothermite in solution.Being nano it might be drawn down nto the microstructure of the concrete by gravity and capilliiary action. Nano materials can even enter the human cellular structure.
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Bill, how did they deal with parts of the floor that was linoleum tile?

That would have made a mess on the rugs, too.
 
BigAl said:
Bill, how did they deal with parts of the floor that was linoleum tile?

That would have made a mess on the rugs, too.
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I imagine that in such a professional environemt that all the fixtures and fittings were made for easy access and/or replacement. This wuld include the carpets and eventual lino tiles. At night, or if a floor should be closed for one reason or another anything could happen.
 
bill smith said:
I imagine that in such a professional environemt that all the fixtures and fittings were made for easy access and/or replacement. This wuld include the carpets and eventual lino tiles. At night, or if a floor should be closed for one reason or another anything could happen.
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Since the amount of nano-thermite required for the temperature increases you require for your fantasy would be comparable with the amount of concrete present, somebody might notice the next morning that the skirting boards looked a lot shallower.

Dave
 
bill smith said:
On behalf of some of my fellow posters I apologise to those people who may be quietly following the exchanges on this forum. 'Lurker' is clearly a derogatory term.For myself I think of you as ''concerned citizens' or at the very least 'interested observers'. So once gain. my apologies and I hope those naughty posters will take my advice and cease and desist with the reference. We will see in due course if my words have had the desired effect.
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Hello lurkers! As you can see, Mr. Smith has again decided to make up something and present it as fact.
I was a lurker myself. I come from a long line of lurkers. My father was a lurker. My mother was a lurker. My uncle lurked in WWII. It's obvious that Mr. Smith has no respect for the fine tradition of lurking in this country, and would spit on the flag of this fair country. It's obvious he's a communist, anarchist, anti-fair-trade, pro-child-pornography, and is active in the pet slavery trade.

Oh, and for you lurkers out there:


Made you look!
 
Dave Rogers said:
Like all the other products of bill smith's common sense, this is of course untrue. "Lurker" is used here with no derogatory intent whatsoever, referring simply to people who choose to read and not to post.

Dave
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Dave,Dave...what are we going to do with you ? People will inevitably associate 'Lurker' with [one who lurks]
. You don't HAVE to take my advice of course....it's up to you. We will see in due course whether you have listened to my words as I said.
 
bill smith said:
Dave,Dave...what are we going to do with you ? People will inevitably associate 'Lurker' with [one who lurks]
. You don't HAVE to take my advice of course....it's up to you. We will see in due course whether you have listened to my words as I said.
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So, still no answers to the substantive claims, so you have to dance around the meaning of ridiculous stuff to attempt to draw fire away.

Yeah, I see what you're doing.

Get back to the topic, and quit worrying about stupid stuff.

Oh, wait, that's all you DO do. Sorry.
 
bill smith said:
In the aeriel photograph I attach, apparently taken on the 12th september 2001 you can plainly see that there is nothing like 100,000 tons of steel on the ground.
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Bill, your country needs you. Instead of wasting yous skills on images of WTC, you should be working for the The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) doing photo interpretation to help keep us safe by telling us how big the tunnels are in North Korea and Iran.

Nobody can do what you do, Bill.

(What a maroon.)
 
bill smith said:
I imagine that in such a professional environemt that all the fixtures and fittings were made for easy access and/or replacement. This wuld include the carpets and eventual lino tiles. At night, or if a floor should be closed for one reason or another anything could happen.
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Wrong on all counts.
 
bill smith said:
I imagine that in such a professional environemt that all the fixtures and fittings were made for easy access and/or replacement. This wuld include the carpets and eventual lino tiles. At night, or if a floor should be closed for one reason or another anything could happen.
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So anyone could enter the bank offices which had high security and lift all the carpet tiles and spray down nano thermite without being spotted by the numerous people who worked around the clock?

You have never been in the towers have you?
 
bill smith said:
In the aeriel photograph I attach, apparently taken on the 12th september 2001 you can plainly see that there is nothing like 100,000 tons of steel on the ground.
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This statement will not be accepted without support. Please show your math estimating the volume of the rubble pile and compare it to the estimated volume of all the material in the towers. When you do so be sure to take into account the fact that the base of the rubble pile is not at street level, but some 8 floors below street level as much of the rubble will have compacted into the basements and parking garages under the site.
 
bill smith said:
Originally I speculated that the underside of the concrete floors might have been sprayed with nanothermite. Then it was pointed out to me that the concrete was poured into floor pans which would tend to rule out the underside. I am reluctant to let go of the notion entirely though bcause there are few situations I can think of that might conspire to both pulverise the concrete AND evaporate the 110 ACRES of wire mesh they contained.
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The issue with this is that thermite, of whatever variety, is simply not an explosive, nor does it burn hot enough to boil metal and concrete. Even assuming that it were possible to impregnate the concrete slabs with thermite, igniting that thermite would neither pulverize nor evaporate the concrete or the steel rebar. Instead, the heat and molten iron generated by the thermite reaction would melt and mix with the concrete, resulting in large amounts of some kind of mixture of iron and glassy slag. As thermite is not dependent on any outside source of oxygen, this reaction would have completed in minutes, and would have long since cooled off by the time the pile was excavated.

I am not aware of any reports of a vast sheet of solidified slag under the debris pile. What concrete debris I have seen pictures of appears to have been physically broken up. This cannot be caused by thermite of any variety. It could have been caused by high explosives, but the amount of explosives required to pulverize all the concrete in the towers would have been impossible to conceal. Alternately, the damage to the concrete might have been caused by falling hundreds of feet, colliding with other debris and the ground. That would seem to me to be the most plausible explanation.

Furthermore, destruction of the concrete still does not support any plausible demolition theory. When speculating about an controlled demolition by sinister conspirators, we must assume that those responsble for the conspiracy are competent and rational. If they were not, the conspiracy would not have worked. We must also assume that the hypothetical conspirators do not wish to be discovered. If the hypothetical conspirators were not rational, competent, and concerned with avoiding discovery, their plan would already have been conclusively exposed. Therefore we must assume that the conspirators are not going to introduce any unnecessary elements into their plan, as any additional person to be included or device to be planted is an additional risk of discovery.

Planting some sort of thermal or explosive charge on the concrete floor slabs is completely superfluous to the goal of making the building collapse. Destroying every floor in the building would cause a global collapse, but it would be much, much easier simply to plant cutting charges on a few key structural columns on a few floors. Even in an ordinary controlled demolition of a concrete building, only a tiny fraction of the concrete in the building is destroyed by demolition charges. Anomalous destruction of the concrete in the debris pile is just as much a problem for any controlled demolition theory as it is for the conventional fire and impact induced progressive collapse theory.
 
Dave Rogers said:
I note also that bill smith is referring to the work of Ace Baker, one of the most deluded fantasists ever to have been multiply banned at this site. Baker claims that no planes struck the WTC towers, that energy beam weapons from space were used to dustify the steel of the towers, and that the damage to surrounding buildings was caused not by falling debris but by other shots from the energy beam weapon. To the family members of anyone who even begins to place credence on Baker's ramblings, I offer my sincerest sympathy.
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Yes, of course, I was trying to remember where I heard the same argurments, good ol' Ace, aka TruthSeeker, if I recall.

No relation to Mr. Smith I'm sure.
 
Not that this will do any good where it is needed most, but the last time we had a Judy Wood/dustification advocate, I put together a quick overlay of a portion of that aerial photo with the properly scaled LIDAR data showing the heights of the debris field. Anyone want to take a guess as to the rough volume indicated by this survey? Note - don't forget about the below-ground levels.

 
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