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Molten Steel

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I'm just curious if anyone else notices a huge discrepancy in the quality of images bill and Christopher7 etc. post in comparison to the ones Gravy etc. post?

I'm not sure if I am being overly critical or not, but one side seems to have images taken off a jumbo-tron at 100 yards and the other seem to be gallery quality suitable for framing. And not just resolution, but colour balance and exposure?
 
funk de fino said:
Impossible. You made a claim that is false. They did mention one of the eroded beams. Yes?
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Gravy said:
They did their own testing on the samples and discuss the results at length. They use the terms eroded/corroded.

It strikes me as utterly unproductive to attempt to discuss anything 9/11-related with Christopher7, much less quibbling over semantic details.
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funk de fino and Sunstealer are quibbling about semantics. Their attitude is arrogant and condescending. Their purpose is to distract from the point which is: You called Richard Gage a "Lying Jackass" and then you misstated the facts concerning what you were slamming him for.
So who is the "Lying hypocritical Jackass"?
 
Perhaps it's about time for you to retract your claims about steel rebar, Chris. It's far better to admit your mistakes openly.
 
bje said:
Perhaps it's about time for you to retract your claims about steel rebar, Chris. It's far better to admit your mistakes openly.
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I do admit mistakes when I make them and change my position accordingly.

Gravy said:
To humor Chris, here's a photo that should show minimal distortion...you know, the kind they use for maps.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting...4ce0ec48fc.jpg
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C7 said:
Excellent find. This is clear and conclusive. I will change my position accordingly.

4 ton framing sections were ejected up to 500 feet.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4462055#post4462055
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I had been saying up to 600 feet.


If molten metal is poured on a piece of rebar and cools fairly quickly, the rebar may melt inside the glob but where it sticks out it will dissipate heat quickly and remain solid. It depends on how hot the molten metal is.
 
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Christopher7 said:
If molten metal is poured on a piece of rebar and cools fairly quickly, the rebar may melt inside the glob but where it sticks out it will dissipate heat quickly and remain solid. It depends on how hot the molten metal is.
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First: Source? And there is the problem of the interface of the rebar and molten metal, no?

Second: Can you claim to know what happened with the so-called "meteorite?" Particularly with embedded paper?
 
bje said:
First: Source? And there is the problem of the interface of the rebar and molten metal, no?

Second: Can you claim to know what happened with the so-called "meteorite?" Particularly with embedded paper?
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I just said how it was possible. I'm not going to argue the point.
Also, the meteorite was partly concrete with rebar. The molten metal didn't necessarily come in contact with the rebar we see in this photo.
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Christopher7 said:
Is this the "Meteorite"? Do you have photos from all sides or just the one that doesn't show the molten metal the man was talking about?

"molten steel and concrete and all these things all fused by the heat"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1b1_1176644395
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I asked you to point out the molten metal. So produce a photo of any molten steel on any of the meteorites you desire. Your not empty handed now are you? And I don't care about the mans hyperbole, regardless of his credentials. I want evidence.
 
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A W Smith said:
I asked you to point out the molten metal. So produce a photo of any molten steel on any of the meteorites you desire. Your not empty handed now are you? And I don't care about the mans hyperbole, regardless of his credentials. I want evidence.
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Here's a video, start at 2:18

"Temperatures as hot as the inner Earth!" :jaw-dropp
OK, so Brian Williams isn't Mr. Science but this video shows some different angles.
[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]9/11: Remains of the day - Nightly News with Brian Williams- msnbc.com[/FONT]

The other video was made in co-operation with the government. The man said "molten steel".

If you want to just hand wave him off, no worries.
And Mark Loizeaux, Peter Tully, Leslie Robertson, Abolhassan Astaneh, what do they know?
If you don't want to believe these people you don't have to, but don't critize people like Jones and Gage for saying there was molten steel.
 
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OP uses LIE for support. Why? Who cares if there was molten steel?

Christopher7 said:
... And Mark Loizeaux, Peter Tully, Leslie Robertson, Abolhassan Astaneh, what do they know?
If you don't want to believe these people you don't have to, but don't critize people like Jones and Gage for saying there was molten steel.
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You just lied, you used hearsay and Robertson really said something else.

Debate with Jones where Robertson refutes all of 911Truth -
ROBERTSON: We had many engineers on the site of the project following their failure. We and other engineering firms, and yes, there was a red-hot metal, seen by engineers. But molten, molten means flowing. I’ve never run across anyone who said they had in fact seen molten metal, or by the way if they had seen it, that they had performed some sort of analysis to determine what that metal was.
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I give you a direct quote! You made up a lie from hearsay in an article you did not read or comprehend; just copy and posted.

You posted a lie to support your delusion of nothing to do with nothing.

You posted a lie to support your delusion that supports what? Why is your research so shallow, just lift junk from the lies of 911Truth. Hearsay, lies and fantasy and you post it unknowingly?

You posted a lie, you cited in the OP an article that talked about molten steel and said Robertson said it but it was not a quote from Robertson.
 
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beachnut said:
You just lied, you used hearsay and Robertson really said something else.

I give you a direct quote! You made up a lie.

OOPS It is a lie, you posted a lie to support your delusion of nothing to do with nothing.

You posted a lie to support your delusion that supports what? Why is your research so shallow, just lift junk from the lies of 911Truth. Hearsay, lies and fantasy and you post it unknowingly?
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Oops, I found a fault! :D Now I can deny everything!:p
 
Christopher7 said:
Oops, I found a fault! :D Now I can deny everything!:p
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You posted a lie, Robertson said this and the 911Truth site posted it! Irony for you.

In a debate with Jones where Robertson refutes all of 911Truth -
ROBERTSON SAID: We had many engineers on the site of the project following their failure. We and other engineering firms, and yes, there was a red-hot metal, seen by engineers. But molten, molten means flowing. I’ve never run across anyone who said they had in fact seen molten metal, or by the way if they had seen it, that they had performed some sort of analysis to determine what that metal was.
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Direct quote! You have nothing.
 
beachnut said:
You posted a lie, Robertson said this and the 911Truth site posted it! Irony for you.

In a debate with Jones where Robertson refutes all of 911Truth

Direct quote! You have nothing.
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I have this:

October 5, 2001
The National Council of Structural Engineers Associations 9th Annual Conference.
Keynote Address presented by Leslie Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center (WTC).

[FONT=&quot]Leslie Robertson: [/FONT][FONT=&quot] "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]As of 21 days after the attack[/FONT][FONT=&quot], the fires were still burning and [/FONT]molten steel[FONT=&quot] was still running[/FONT][FONT=&quot]." [/FONT]

http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf

Fast forward to:

October 26, 2006
Jones v Robertson debate
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/Roberts_AnnotatedJones-RobertsonTranscript.pdf

This is a double denial. You know there's something wrong when someone gives you two conflicting reasons for the same thing. [Especially when they reverse what he said 25 days after the event.]

Robertson: We had many engineers on the site of the project following their failure. We and other engineering firms, and yes, there was a red-hot metal, seen by engineers. But molten, molten means flowing. I’ve never run across anyone who said they had in fact seen molten metal,
or by the way if they had seen it, ? ? ? [which is it?]
that they had performed some sort of analysis to determine what that metal was. ? ?

No one would do a chemical analysis because it is not necessary. The molten metal was obviously steel. Anyone who knows the melting points of metals could see that it was steel. He is asking for something he knows would not exist.

Somebody made this man an offer he couldn't refuse. [and gave him a script]
 
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Christopher7 said:
[FONT=&quot]Leslie Robertson: [/FONT][FONT=&quot] "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]As of 21 days after the attack[/FONT][FONT=&quot], the fires were still burning and [/FONT]molten steel[FONT=&quot] was still running[/FONT][FONT=&quot]." [/FONT]
http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf
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And I have this. Why do you attribute this quote to Leslie Robertson there? The article does no such thing. I think you tell little fibs.

BV
 
Christopher7 said:
Here's a video, start at 2:18

"Temperatures as hot as the inner Earth!" :jaw-dropp
OK, so Brian Williams isn't Mr. Science but this video shows some different angles.
[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]9/11: Remains of the day - Nightly News with Brian Williams- msnbc.com[/FONT]

The other video was made in co-operation with the government. The man said "molten steel".

If you want to just hand wave him off, no worries.
And Mark Loizeaux, Peter Tully, Leslie Robertson, Abolhassan Astaneh, what do they know?
If you don't want to believe these people you don't have to, but don't critize people like Jones and Gage for saying there was molten steel.
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Good link Chris.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14789146/ Repost
 
bonavada said:
And I have this. Why do you attribute this quote to Leslie Robertson there? The article does no such thing. I think you tell little fibs.
BV
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No, I think I screwed up.

That article was written by James M.Williams, SEAU President.

My bad, thank you for pointing that out. I'll remove Leslie Robertson from my witness list.

His double denial and requiring something that he knows does not exist still bothers me.
 
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