Molten Steel

[Baylor]

Sarns never explained why he didn't make it on patriotsquestion911 when my cat made the cut. Can't a ****ty remodeling contractor from Fresno get any love?

For FSM's sake Sarns. Mike Rotch made the list. yes that MIKE ROTCH!

 

[stateofgrace]

You still refuse to deal with this reality:

NIST did not explain how this happened. They left it out of the Final report because the only explanation for the elevator cabs in the hallway is a very large explosion.

Your double talk and misinterpretation of what I said is just a lame diversion.

Your answers are now absurd, please try to focus Chris.

I have asked a very simple question, please respond to it and stop your silly diversion tactics, so again Chris.

So Chris somebody went into four fully occupied buildings prior to Sept 11th and planted so much thermite that it not only brought them down but remained active and kept tons of metal molten for weeks and weeks afterwards?

Is this your reality ?

Why you are so afraid to admit this is what you believe happened?

 

[Christopher7]

I am not proposing a conclusion, I am quoting witnesses.

Yes you are.

Now please answer my question.

I did.

You ask unanswerable questions that make assumptions, demand answers and refuse to reciprocate.

Address this and stop asking the same dumbass question over and over again.

NIST did not explain how this happened. They left it out of the Final report because the only explanation for the elevator cabs in the hallway is a very large explosion.

 

[BigAl]

You still refuse to deal with this reality:

NIST did not explain how this happened. They left it out of the Final report because the only explanation for the elevator cabs in the hallway is a very large explosion.

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Thermite doesn't explode. It also doesn't propel anything anywhere.

 

[stateofgrace]

You ask unanswerable questions that make assumptions, demand answers and refuse to reciprocate.

Address this and stop asking the same dumbass question over and over again.

No Chris, I will not stop asking this question until you answer it and if you respond to me again in such a tone I will report you.

You have concluded that tons of molten metal observed weeks after Sept 11th is proof of a demolition involving thermite, therefore somebody planted alot of it inside the four fully occupied buildings prior to Sept 11th, right ? A simple yes or no.

This question is not unanswerable if you have the courage of your convictions and really believe what you are proposing,so please answer.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Wrong.
You are ignoring/denying what the witnesses said.

I'm not ignoring them. In light of the fact that thermite cannot and will not remain sufficiently usable for the amount of time required I'm forced to conclude that your evidence -- an egregious display of ignorance -- is insufficient to make a connection. There are plenty of alternatives, which have been explained to you already which make more sense and are entirely within the realm reality.

 

[Christopher7]

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Now lets talk about Sulphur. If the fires were 1000°C

Therein lies the rub. The fires in the debris pile were nowhere close to 1000°C.

 

[funk de fino]

NIST did not explain how this happened. They left it out of the Final report because the only explanation for the elevator cabs in the hallway is a very large explosion.

That has been denied by the guy who was with Barry Jennings. It did not happen. Barry Jennings also retreated from this claim. Its in the BBC WTC7 program which any real researcher who is looking for the truth would have seen by now.

Stop derailing this thread with explosion nonsense. There are other WTC7 threads for that.

 

[Christopher7]

I'm not ignoring them.

Then you are denying them.

In light of the fact that thermite cannot and will not remain sufficiently usable for the amount of time required

You are assuming that thermite is the only heat source and ignoring the fact that several stories of pulverized debris would provide a great deal of insulation.

I'm forced to conclude that your evidence

My evidence? You keep trying to make this about me. It is not. Witnesses said there was molten metal weeks/months later.

There are plenty of alternatives

You have not named one because there are not other possibilities for the molten steel reported by numerous credible witnesses.

 

[applecorped]

....no other possibilities.........................none.























sigh.

 

[funk de fino]

Wrong!
Fires in a debris pile would be oxygen starved and could not burn anywhere near 1000[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C. Not so.

Fires in offices burn higher than 1000 deg C and you have been shown this. Stop lying. The fires in the piles for WTC 1 and 2 would have had air drawn in from below and not relied on air from above, they would have had plenty of air for combustion.

Remember the surface temps you like to throw up now and again?

You are referring to Sample #2. Sample #1 was exposed to temperatures approaching 1000[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C.

Where was sample 2 from? The WTC pile for 1 and 2. Sample one was temps approaching 1000 deg C. This could be 900 for all you know, it is not a specific temp whereas further investigation on sample 2 found the temps to be lower. NIST mention sample 1 and say it was a possible temp region.

You have yet to show a melted beam or source any of the forensic investigators or demo teams at Freshkills saying they saw melted beams. If they had these would have been put aside like these two pieces.

 

[funk de fino]

Therein lies the rub. The fires in the debris pile were nowhere close to 1000°C.

Pure speculation. You hypocrisy knows no bounds.

 

[Christopher7]

That has been denied by the guy who was with Barry Jennings. It did not happen. Barry Jennings also retreated from this claim. Its in the BBC WTC7 program which any real researcher who is looking for the truth would have seen by now.

Very interesting how Giuliani's council changed his story about the explosion he and Barry talked about on 9/11.

Neither man mentioned the elevator cars in the hallway. That must have been reported by someone else.

Stop derailing this thread with explosion nonsense. There are other WTC7 threads for that.

The elevators in the hallway are verified in the NIST L report and not explained in the final report. The only thing that can do that would be a very large explosion. Maybe this one:
[FONT=&quot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I[/FONT]

This is off-topic and a subject for another thread. However the cowardice exhibited here in the refusal to address this issue will probably prevail on a separate thread so what's the point? Will you address this issue or are you a coward too?

What ejected the elevator cars into the hallway if not a very large and powerfull explosion?

 

[Christopher7]

The fires in the debris pile were nowhere close to 1000°C.

Pure speculation. You hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Fact. Your denial knows no bounds.

 

[funk de fino]

Very interesting how Giuliani's council changed his story about the explosion he and Barry talked about on 9/11.

Neither man mentioned the elevator cars in the hallway. That must have been reported by someone else.

No-one witnessed it happening or heard it happening. It was seen later I believe. Are you saying that this guy is a liar and a coward? He says his remarks were taken out of context. So did Barry Jennings. They say it did not happen, they are credible witness'.

The elevators in the hallway are verified in the NIST L report and not explained in the final report. The only thing that can do that would be a very large explosion. Maybe this one:
[FONT=&quot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I[/FONT]

This is off-topic and a subject for another thread. However the cowardice exhibited here in the refusal to address this issue will probably prevail on a separate thread so what's the point? Will you address this issue or are you a coward too?

What ejected the elevator cars into the hallway if not a very large and powerfull explosion?

A huge building falling into it. No-one know why they were there, any other claims by you are wild speculation.

I cant get youtub here but i hope its not that guy on the phone video that has been debunked.

 

[funk de fino]

Fact. Your denial knows no bounds.

You say you will not speculate when asked difficult questions and then speculate wildly in most of your other post.

That is hypocrisy.

 

[Toke]

I cant get youtub here but i hope its not that guy on the phone video that has been debunked.

It´s two guys sharing a payphone next to wtc7, interrupted by loud bang and two firemen. T-shirt say police us ins.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Then you are denying them.

Erm no...

You are assuming that thermite is the only heat source and ignoring the fact that several stories of pulverized debris would provide a great deal of insulation.

Erm no.... and insulation or not the burden of proof is yours to prove that it was sufficient to keep temperatures sufficient high for your speculation to be credible.

My evidence? You keep trying to make this about me. It is not. Witnesses said there was molten metal weeks/months later.

Hey... the witnesses aren't the ones claiming thermite... you are Billy Bob. Molten metal weeks and months after the fact isn't from thermite.

You have not named one because there are not other possibilities for the molten steel reported by numerous credible witnesses.

Aluminum, mis-identification, terminology, the entire shibang. Each would qualify. Why you assume anytime one of us points those out automatically means denial or calling them liars is something only you know... I'm looking at their claims objectively and comparing their statements to your claims... they don't connect... simple. You've placed a bias that is rooted in paranoia and some weird concept that a building collapse cannot have happened all because first times are somehow qualifiers for impossibilities... And a myriad of other issues I don't feel like indulging in

 

[funk de fino]

It´s two guys sharing a payphone next to wtc7, interrupted by loud bang and two firemen. T-shirt say police us ins.

This video has already been debunked on here. One poster found the location and managed to get the time of the explosion using the shadows from the sun. They do not match with C7 imaginary elevator explosion or the collapse time IIRC.

Cue more C7 hypocrisy about using the sun shadows to estimate as not accurate after relying on it to say photos were faked in NIST appendix L. Then he derides NIST for doing exactly the same shadow analysis with the Final report.

 

[Toke]

Why am I not surprised.