Molten metal in basement of WTC

[twinstead]

Yeah it stands, alongside the passports and bandanas?

Oh great, another member of the YouTube generation. Lovely. If you don't see it in a slickly-produced 'documentary' or a YouTube video then it doesn't exist, does it? If something looks like something it IS that thing, right?

And did somebody in a video tell you they only found a passport and bandanna in Shanksville? LOL. Tell that to the first responders and hundreds of volunteers who picked up bone fragments for 2 weeks.

If somebody who's world view you agree with tells you something you accept it without question, right?

Perhaps you could use the same scrutiny and 'body language observation' on other conspiracy theorists as you do proponents of the official story.

It sounds to me like you have your mind already made up without doing hardly any real investigation.

 

[Brainache]

Oh yes everybody is a liar apart from the Bush administration who never lie, right? They didnt lie about WOMD, right? They didn't lead the American public to believe that the invasion of Iraq was linked to 9/11, right? They are not systematically killing hundreds of thousand of Iraquis for oil, right? Is that evil? Is that the work of mentally disturbed individuals?? But the same individuals told the truth about 9/11?? I am 17 years old and these lies stand out like the evil they are. How come you guys dont see it?

Lizzy please don't think I support the Bush administration. I'm Australian and I didn't vote for Howard either, but the world is not so black and white as you paint it.

I can only speak for myself, but I never listen to politicians on matters of science. That's what people here debate, science.

There is the occasional political squabble, but generally the CT subforum is about the science. No one believes what GWB says about science. Why would they? He's no rocket surgeon.

 

[Totovader]

Here's a pretty easy challenge for you:

Considering all the different materials present in that collapse, prove this is steel, and only steel.

Lizzy... *bump*

 

[Iggy]

Another quick question (which you won't answer):

Does being "employed by the US government" make them wrong?

Seriously. I have friends employed by the US Government, and they tend to be right on many things. They tend to be wrong on some too- so it doesn't seem to be a factor.

Who do you work for? Should we trust anything you say based on who employs you?

It certainly does not make them impartial thus NOT an independent inquiry.

 

[Dragon]

Dragon did you lie about being a policeman? If you are a policeman you would have read the NIST guy's body language? Did you read it??

I did not lie
The NIST guy looked a little uncomfortable. Again, not the same as lying, interesting that you assume that conclusion.

 

[twinstead]

Dragon did you lie about being a policeman? If you are a policeman you would have read the NIST guy's body language? Did you read it??

Are you saying that ANY real policeman should see that the NIST guy is lying, and if somebody says they don't think the NIST guy is lying is lying about being a policeman?

Yikes.

 

[stateofgrace]

Lizzy,

what do you think would cause molten metal to be present for weeks after the Towers collapsed?

Explosives used during the demolition or thermite used during the demolition?

It’s just that explosives explode and thermite burns, both processes are over very quickly and don’t last for weeks.

So what could cause all this molten metal weeks afterwards?

Just asking questions

Edit she got banned already, forget that one. ( let me guess !!)

 

[Totovader]

It certainly does not make them impartial thus NOT an independent inquiry.

But that's not what you were saying earlier. If you believe that people who are paid by the government are automatically motivated to lie- then gosh golly, how can you know the truth? I know! I've got it! SCIENCE...

Fine- then be extra careful when you call them wrong. Question everything they say- go ahead. But don't think that you can immediately discredit them simply because their paycheck comes a certain way.

An employer does not decide the truth.

 

[NickUK]

K, bye then

 

[Mashuna]

Dragon did you lie about being a policeman? If you are a policeman you would have read the NIST guy's body language? Did you read it??

I have studied body language as part of my nirse training

Dragon, own up. If you were a real policeman you'd be able to tell instantly if someone were lying by their body language.

Lizzy can, and she's had training to be a nirse.


eta another banning? I'm just too slow.

 

[Totovader]

Language? ****

 

[twinstead]

I sense a supreme rock-solid and totally unshakable confidence in Lizzy's position that only someone with the heady combination of youth and ideological bias can posses.

Enjoy it while you can Lizzy, you're young and you have the time. The real world will wait.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

I notice you are banned, but since I started I might just finish:

(my bolding throughout the post)

I am sorry I do not understand your point? Even a member of NIST denies that fire alone would create temperatures to cause pools of molten metal.

Could you please quote, verbatim, the question "Unknown man" asks at the beginning, regarding this liquid?

(...)

And since you couldn't produce it, I'll do it for you:

Im curious about...the ummm... pool of molten steel that was found in the bottom of the towers.

Which was the question the NIST representative answered. Not about molten metal, which you claimed.

Cheers,
SLOB

 

[Athyrio]

Still after five and a half years we are waiting for their wtc7 collapse conclusion with baited breath.

This is what happens when you eat worms. You get banned.

 

[Anti-sophist]

I suggest you actually watch it.

I suggest you reread my post.

The NIST spokesman readily admits that fires would not cause what the winesses are talking about.

That's not what he admits. I also suggest you rewatch the video.

That wreckage was smoldering for weeks despite having hundreds of thousands of gallons of water systematically pumped onto it.

Hahaha! Your psuedoscience is hilarious.

 

[Athyrio]

I don't want to be rude Lizzy, but are you a sock puppet?

You called that one right. So, is Iggy's father really a cop, and is Iggy really a nurse who has been trained in body language, and did Iggy really not know what a sock puppet was?

Or is Iggy just a serial liar?

 

[cgallaga]

This probably will not help.

But this has always bothered me about 9/11 conspiracy theories. Lizzy could you explain?

1. If it was an inside job like the Bush administration did it, then wouldn't the very wealthy and powerful governments that oppose bush (Germany, China, France, the entire Middle East, Much of Asia and on and on) try their best to show to the world the corruption? Wouldn't they be open to proof of such a conspiracy and doesn't their lack of support for such demonstrate that such a conspiracy is either global (which would be insane) or not real?

2. If it was an inside job but the government wasn't involved...same as above?

 

[Dragon]

Iggy/Lizzy - you silly goose, your suspension had run out so you could have carried on as "Iggy". Ahh, the follies of youth.

 

[Brainache]

You called that one right. So, is Iggy's father really a cop, and is Iggy really a nurse who has been trained in body language, and did Iggy really not know what a sock puppet was?

Or is Iggy just a serial liar?

I can believe that Iggy is seventeen. Iggy's father may be a policeman (mine was). If Iggy is a nurse, I don't want to get sick in England.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I can believe that Iggy is seventeen. Iggy's father may be a policeman (mine was). If Iggy is a nurse, I don't want to get sick in England.

I've seen a study in which it was found that adolescents from about 14-18 temporarily lose the ability to recognize facial expressions. Something to do with the cognitive development of the brain getting ahead of the emotional development.

So, if he IS in fact seventeen, he probably isn't that good at reading body language.

Also, most people who go through nursing training come out of it with the ability to, at a minimum, spell the word "nursing".