[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

MaGZ said:
I am denying that. People died on both sides of WW II but that was warfare. I totally reject the notion of any plan extermination of any population.

Except for the Jewish plan to exterminate Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!
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How do you explain Generalplan Ost?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

Goes back even further too except it's "anti-semitism".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies


I'm also wondering about the gas chambers and "extermination" camps.
 
SDC said:
Those were the early days of gassing, though by the end of 1941 probably a couple of million had been killed in other ways. (Ask Nick Terry for details.) They were experimenting with trucks and carbon monoxide. Not efficient or effective enough.
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I consider this to be more propaganda on the level of Sadam’s mobile bio-weapons labs traveling the countryside.

Isn’t it incredibly inefficient to burn fuels for carbon monoxide Jew killing machines when you need these fuels to win the war and to supply the military?
It never happened.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Lampshades and soap?

The nature of history is for those that win war to exaggerate the atrocities of the vanquished and exemplify the heroics of the victors.
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What exactly do you deny about the current historical consensus about the Holocaust? That it happened at all? That it was so bad? That the Jews were specifically targeted? That they were killed systematically? That the number of Jewish deaths is as high as 6 million? I know you're not a deranged neo-Nazi like MaGZ or a dumb kid pushing nonsense to further a nationalist ideology like Kageki, so I'm genuinely curious. Also, who do you consider reliable amongst the self-styled scholars and historians who deny the Holocaust? Or do you just not trust any historians at all?

The "Jewish soap" thing is known to be a legend, and is recognized as such by nearly all contemporary historians of the Holocaust, so it is not a very good example of something that is wrong with our understanding of it.
 
MaGZ said:
I consider this to be more propaganda on the level of Sadam’s mobile bio-weapons labs traveling the countryside.
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I saw it on T.V. It was true!!!

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pomeroo said:
Possibly people question your statement because the guesstimate of forty million Native Americans dead is impossibly high. Who fabricated that figure--Howard Zinn?
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You know this is something I found out literally last week on the radio from a caller who was a Native American. I'm shocked just as you are, but it's apparently the truth.

I have linked to the wiki page couple times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_American_indigenous_peoples

I suggest you all try to determine yourself whether I'm wrong or not. It would behoove us all to understand what truly happened. Maybe we'll see how deplorable it is that Disney makes a romantic Pocahantas movie.
 
Radrook said:
If the Holocaust never happened, then why did those accused of cooperating, organizing, and carrying out the genocide not use that defense at the Nuremberg trials? When presented with the evidence they just said they were obeying orders.
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Indeed. Did any of the Nazi defendants even try to claim that there was no conscious effort to exterminate the Jews? If I remember correctly most used the "just following orders" defense.
 
Slayhamlet said:
The "Jewish soap" thing is known to be a legend, and is recognized as such by nearly all contemporary historians of the Holocaust, so it is not a very good example of something that is wrong with our understanding of it.
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It's the denialist's tactic to focus on the few known myths to try to discredit the entire body of evidence that proves the Holocaust.
 
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Grayce said:
Absolutely. By not letting them through in debates and always denying them participation in the media they'll just score "martyr points".
Holocaust-deniers will always be totally obliterated in an open debate concerning the holocaust. In fact, as I see it, that's one of the most effective ways to kill conspiracies and myths in general - invite them and smash them with facts in front of everyone.
Conclusion: insane theories survive much more easier when not put to the test.

In Sweden, our former prime minister Göran Persson (some of you guys might know of him) decided to give out some public information literature on the holocaust. So a booklet packed with pictures and facts was released in 1998. Roughly translated "Of this we most tell... (the future generations)". It was free and every Swedish citizen could get a copy if he wanted to. The project was ofcourse financed with tax money.
I think that was a great initiative from Persson, and I'm proud that he did that. For the sake of securing knowledge about the WW2 and the massmurders.
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I would like to see a Holocaust debate televised on C-SPAN featuring David Irving or Mark Weber. The Holocaust skeptics would win because they would get the audience thinking.
 
kageki said:
You know this is something I found out literally last week on the radio from a caller who was a Native American. I'm shocked just as you are, but it's apparently the truth.

I have linked to the wiki page couple times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_American_indigenous_peoples

I suggest you all try to determine yourself whether I'm wrong or not. It would behoove us all to understand what truly happened. Maybe we'll see how deplorable it is that Disney makes a romantic Pocahantas movie.
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Whatever happened to the Native people in America, as horrible as it may be, it still doesn't excuse the deliberate and systematic policy of ethnic cleansing of the Jews by the Nazis.
 
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dudalb said:
In Between his posts in this thread,and his thread "proving" that Pearl Harbor was a LIHOP Inside Job, I think we can safely assume that Kasegi is a apologists and defender of the Far Right in Politics.
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His positions sound a bit leftist to me when he claims there was an American Indian Holocaust caused by the White Man.

Maybe he is a follower of Lyndon LaRouche
 
MaGZ said:
I consider this to be more propaganda on the level of Sadam’s mobile bio-weapons labs traveling the countryside.

Isn’t it incredibly inefficient to burn fuels for carbon monoxide Jew killing machines when you need these fuels to win the war and to supply the military?
It never happened.
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The Sadam reference is a great analogy and this truck issue seems to serve as a perfect illustration of possible lies about the Nazis. I also imagine it takes quite amount of carbon monoxide to kill someone?

I'm just relieved to know that no Jews were burned alive in ovens.
 
Slayhamlet said:
What exactly do you deny about the current historical consensus about the Holocaust? That it happened at all? That it was so bad? That the Jews were specifically targeted? That they were killed systematically? That the number of Jewish deaths is as high as 6 million? I know you're not a deranged neo-Nazi like MaGZ or a dumb kid pushing nonsense to further a nationalist ideology like Kageki, so I'm genuinely curious. Also, who do you consider reliable amongst the self-styled scholars and historians who deny the Holocaust? Or do you just not trust any historians at all?

The "Jewish soap" thing is known to be a legend, and is recognized as such by nearly all contemporary historians of the Holocaust, so it is not a very good example of something that is wrong with our understanding of it.
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Yes basically all what you say is being questioned.

You can add burning Jews alive in ovens to that legend. Kind of amazing to me such a hoax about soap and lampshades could have been hatched in the first place :rolleyes: I hope no one still believes in such a lie told about what Nazis did.
 
kageki said:
Goes back even further too except it's "anti-semitism".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
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"In On the Jews and Their Lies, written in 1543 three years before his death, Luther recommends that Jews be deprived of money, civil rights, religious teaching, and education, and that they be forced to labor on the land, or else be expelled from Germany and possibly killed."

Your using a book written 400 years before the Holocaust yet reccomends mass murdering jews as proof the Holocaust didn't happen?

From anyone else, this would be a new "personal best" for nonsensical gibberish.
 
Slayhamlet said:
What exactly do you deny about the current historical consensus about the Holocaust? That it happened at all? That it was so bad? That the Jews were specifically targeted? That they were killed systematically? That the number of Jewish deaths is as high as 6 million? I know you're not a deranged neo-Nazi like MaGZ or a dumb kid pushing nonsense to further a nationalist ideology like Kageki, so I'm genuinely curious. Also, who do you consider reliable amongst the self-styled scholars and historians who deny the Holocaust? Or do you just not trust any historians at all?

The "Jewish soap" thing is known to be a legend, and is recognized as such by nearly all contemporary historians of the Holocaust, so it is not a very good example of something that is wrong with our understanding of it.
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Well, I use the soap and lampshade example to show how urban legend becomes; at times, common indisputable knowledge. Go back 25? years and you would find that if one denied the soap and lampshade stories one would be denounced. ( I still hear it from time to time.)

How many? I do not know outside of less than 6 million. Did it happen and were Jews targeted? Absolutely!

I am engaged in this talk because I am amazed by the religiously dogmatic defense of disputable facts. Facts which do not change the overall picture, I might add.

I generally "trust" historians. The beauty of history is disagreements are allowed, which provide for people to discern from said disagreements. The argument is a fantastic tool for testing ones own thought and learning new information! My questions is: Why is this a legally punishable offense for this subject?
 
Gravy said:
kageki, specifically what evidence would convince you that the Nazis systematically killed millions of Jews (not to mention all the other civilians they killed for various reasons)?
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Gravy, you still have not answered my question why you believe the Germans would deliberately kill civilians in Poland?

You did make that claim without any evidence.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
"In On the Jews and Their Lies, written in 1543 three years before his death, Luther recommends that Jews be deprived of money, civil rights, religious teaching, and education, and that they be forced to labor on the land, or else be expelled from Germany and possibly killed."

Your using a book written 400 years before the Holocaust yet reccomends mass murdering jews as proof the Holocaust didn't happen?

From anyone else, this would be a new "personal best" for nonsensical gibberish.
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[Edit]but is he actually using Von den Jüden und iren Lügen as proof of Jewish subversiveness? :boggled:

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