[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

[kageki]

But do you think it's likely to be significantly wrong simply because a number of countries have outlawed denying it altogether? As you surely know, it is not a legally punishable offense in America to deny the Holocaust or anything else. Are you asking why it is so in places like Germany and Austria? I'd guess for the same reason the Nazi party itself and paraphernalia advocating for the Nazi party are illegal: they don't want anything like a Nazi takeover to ever happen again. It's an extraordinary measure, sure, but there are, in my opinion, historically sound reasons for its existence in those countries.

What "historically" sound reason is that? I thought punishment for speaking was put behind in the Dark Ages. It's illegal there because that's where the truth is. Voltaire would heartily disagree with you.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Canada isn't the US either right?

Protectorate would be the proper term.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Kageki, I take it the point you are making is the Jews had a theological reason to claiming six million since this would fit in nicely to fulfilling their prophecies.

Divorce this statement from the current talk and it certainly seems plausible.

 

[kageki]

Kageki, I take it the point you are making is the Jews had a theological reason to claiming six million since this would fit in nicely to fulfilling their prophecies.

Yes. That's apparently what the prophecy says. The fixation on the 6 million number can be explained by that. They also apparently need to build the Temple of Solomon so the messiah can come. I can't make this stuff up. It's all going according to the Bible. Many people believe we are playing out the End Times right now.

 

[MaGZ]

you are a despicable human being and it embarasses me that i share the planet with such a ignorant person

Your insults are an insult.

 

[gtc]

Kageki, I take it the point you are making is the Jews had a theological reason to claiming six million since this would fit in nicely to fulfilling their prophecies.

Evidence that the Jews have a theological reason for claiming 6 million?

You don't get it yet. The Europeans did essentially have a ethnic cleansing plan.

Evidence for an ethnic cleansing plan?

The Nazis also did not have an extermination plan for Jews.

Evidence that the Nazis did not have an extermination plan?

They primarily wanted to deport them.

Evidence that they primarily wanted to deport them?

Once you have provided the evidence, then you can explain how killing someone when you are merely forcibly removing them from their homes and possessions is any better than deliberately killing them.

Protectorate would be the proper term.

Evidence that Canada is a protectorate?

 

[MaGZ]

no, i was taught they were gassed then burnt. i guess you were alseep at this point




irrelevant and, in fact, maybe at sometime they did, but no-one is fixated on this or claiming this



the soldier who you are calling a liar, i linked already and you ignored what he said then called him a liar



they do if we have testimonies that say what they were used for

How do you know if the soldier is not lying? Soldiers at times do lie. Why do you assume he is telling the truth? Is it because you want to believe him?

 

[gtc]

Many people believe we are playing out the End Times right now.

Evidence that the concept of the 'End Times' is part of Jewish beliefs?

 

[kageki]

Just playing conspiratorial.

The Maine was sunk in Cuba. We attacked the Spanish in the Philippians; half way around the world, as a result.

The truth is emotion is used move the population to do things that seem incongruent.

You know it's pretty amazing how many similiar examples there are in past US history

The oldest trick in the book.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Evidence that the concept of the 'End Times' is part of Jewish beliefs?

I am pretty sure that according to the old testament that when the Messiah comes there will be a new world, thus an end time for the old world.

 

[gtc]

You know it's pretty amazing how many similiar examples there are in past US history

The oldest trick in the book.

Please stop derailing the thread and please answer the questions you have been asked.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Evidence that Canada is a protectorate?

If I must.

Protectorate: the relationship of superior authority assumed by one power or state over a dependent one

 

[gtc]

I am pretty sure that according to the old testament that when the Messiah comes there will be a new world, thus an end time for the old world.

Fantastic. Then you should certainly be able to demonstrate that the Jews had a theological reason to claim 6 million. Afterall you just said:

Kageki, I take it the point you are making is the Jews had a theological reason to claiming six million since this would fit in nicely to fulfilling their prophecies.

Divorce this statement from the current talk and it certainly seems plausible.

 

[MaGZ]

Good, good.... you're getting there. Now, how many cremations were the Treblinka ovens used for?

This is important, because every cremation implies a body, and every body implies a death. The crematoria at Belzec had enough capacity to burn the entire camp's population every month or so. Why would one need that much capacity?

You can run the numbers. First the number supposedly killed or gassed. Then the number of crematoria to be used to burn the dead bodies and the time it would take to turn the bodies into ash. Also you must consider the remains of ash and where the volume of remains are located.

Start with any numbers you like and you will find it does not anyway possible add up.

 

[gtc]

If I must.

Protectorate: the relationship of superior authority assumed by one power or state over a dependent one

A definition is not evidence. Please provide the evidence.

 

[kageki]

Evidence that the concept of the 'End Times' is part of Jewish beliefs?

Go read the Talmud and other religious jewish books. Go talk to a rabbi.

You are asking me for evidence where I am essentially quoting the bible.

 

[gtc]

Go read the Talmud and other religious jewish books. Go talk to a rabbi.

You are asking me for evidence where I am essentially quoting the bible.

The Bible (Christian) is not the Talmud (Jewish), although they share some books in common. Also you are in no way 'essentially quoting' either.

You made a claim about the contents of the Talmud and the Jewish religion. Now you need to provide the evidence or you need to retract your claim.

It is not like it is hard to find a copy of the Talmud or Old Testament online.

 

[MaGZ]

Well, let's see. The claim on the table, just to make sure we're on the same page, is that "the Nazi's systematically killed [multiple] millions of Jews."

So, let's start with the basics. Werre there multiple millions of Jewish deaths under the Nazi regime? Yes. Simple demographic statistics prove it. For example, the Jewish population of Poland dropped from about 3.3million to less than 100,000 during the period from 1939--1945, while the number of Jewish emigrants/refugees/displaced persons was less than 250,000. So there were at least 2.5 million Jewish deaths in Poland alone. Similar demographic statistics indicate at least a half million Jewish deaths in Hungary, and so forth.

if your claim is that these two-and-a-half million Poles did not die, then where were they in 1946?

Were these people killed by the Nazis? Well, the Nazis were very public about how they were rounding up the Polish Jews; we have lots of surviving documentary evidence about the sweeps, as well as reports of the numbers of Jews killed (particularly by the Einsatzgruppen). We have train records indicating that millions of people were systematically delivered by train to the concentration camps, including the Operation Reinhard extermination camps, from which they never returned.

We further have forensic evidence in the forms of dead bodies and cremation remains.

We have eyewitness testimony by people who actually performed the killings, as well as official directives outlining the methods of killing and ordering the constrution of the killing equipment.

What more direct evidence would you like?

How do you know if any of the numbers you provided are accurate?
Answer: you don’t.
You are a Holocaust believer.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Fantastic. Then you should certainly be able to demonstrate that the Jews had a theological reason to claim 6 million. Afterall you just said:

I said to divorce the thought from this talk.

It is not unusual for religion to manipulate facts to achieve manipulation of their flock.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

A definition is not evidence. Please provide the evidence.

If I use a word which represents the reality and the reality is represented by the definition of said word, then yes; this is evidence that the word represents the circumstance described.