[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

leftysergeant said:
I doubt that many here, except a few hared-core racists would disagree with the position that the extermination of some native tribes and their removal from their lands was an atrocity. Hopefully, we are moving beyond justifying it on the grounds of Manifest Destiny. I would hope that we at least learned that much from WWII.

Some people here, however, are immune to such education.
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White America was built upon Manifest Destiny.
 
stateofgrace said:
Having seen this thread unfold and holding my tongue for some time I would like to post an email I received today. I will be forwarding this message to all my friends and they as civilised human beings will in all probability forward it on.

Freedom of speech is a two way event as far as I am concerned and as such I express in no uncertain terms my utter rejection of the holocaust deniers and equally so, having read the utter drivel they have written to justify their twisted and bitter version of historic events reject their arguments totally.

Here is the email.



Please forward it.​
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Maybe they should also honor the 40 million Native Americans that was massacred by Europeans in the creation of the US since they happened to choose that number.

Funny how many people have questioned my statement of 40 million Native Americans dead. Where is your disgust for the deniers of the genocide in the US?
 
kageki said:
If we're playing the numbers game then it seems like the targeted genocide of about 40 million Native Americans due to the Europeans in about 100 years is much more serious then the Holocaust.

If anything I think these other Holocausts seem too insignificant in comparison.

What does it matter if you think the spread of disease was intentional? Are you trying to diminish how Columbus slaughtered millions, possibly made an entire race of Native Americans extinct and hunted them down for dog food? The Spaniards fed chopped up Native Americans to their dogs and cut limbs off to test the sharpness of their swords. These apparently happened also. I fail to see how this is different from what the Nazis did.


But I still like to know. Was it 6 million for the Holocaust? Did the Nazis really burn Jews alive in ovens? Why are people only jailed for questioning the JEWISH Holocaust? What is fiction and fact?
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Kageki, you are exaggerating the number of Indians that died out in North America after Europeans arrived. There were never tens of millions of Indians in the Americas. Look at the population numbers in Europe at the time and compare them.

In addition Blacks have played the Holocaust numbers game claiming they lost millions in the slave trade. Apparently there are benefits in being the victim.
 
leftysergeant said:
I had hoped, about the middle of the 20th Century, that we would, as a nation, come to grips with the fact that we were living on stolen land and realize that it was wrong. That is the first step toward putting a stop to that sort of behavior elsewhere, forever.

Bush is still playing Cowboys and Indians in Iraq. We have Nazi sympathizers and apologists posting here.

Human evolution is a very drawn-out process, with uneven results, I guess.
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Do you consider the founding fathers of America to have been proto-Nazis?
 
Myriad said:
Interesting game you're playing here, kageki. Can I play too?

Please note, to avoid misunderstanding: the above text in blue is not the author's actual opinion. It's a demonstration of the deniers' techniques in action. Let's see if kageki appreciates my use of what he's taught me in this thread. Can he refute my claims? Does he want to continue the game, now that both sides can play?
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First of all this thread is about the Holocaust so please stay on topic.

Second of all I don't have a fit if you like to discuss the specifics of the bomb. If it is true some exaggerations were made then I'll believe it.

So the bomb was a hoax? Ok you got me.
 
MaGZ said:
Kageki, you are exaggerating the number of Indians that died out in North America after Europeans arrived. There were never tens of millions of Indians in the Americas. Look at the population numbers in Europe at the time and compare them.

In addition Blacks have played the Holocaust numbers game claiming they lost millions in the slave trade. Apparently there are benefits in being the victim.
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I'm not the one exaggerating. Other historians are saying this. Why don't you go look it up? How do you back up your claims? What does the population in Europe have any relevance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_American_indigenous_peoples

The difference between Native Americans and Blacks is that their history has been suppressed while the Holocaust has been flaunted and exaggerated. Yes there are real benefits of being victims. How many billions has Israel received in reparations?

MaGZ I would have hoped that you could be more honest about this past in the US. It seems though everyone else here are deniers of US history.
 
kageki said:
Maybe they should also honor the 40 million Native Americans that was massacred by Europeans in the creation of the US since they happened to choose that number.

Funny how many people have questioned my statement of 40 million Native Americans dead. Where is your disgust for the deniers of the genocide in the US?
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kageki said:
First of all this thread is about the Holocaust so please stay on topic. ...snip...
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Hilarious.
 
kageki said:
Maybe they should also honor the 40 million Native Americans that was massacred by Europeans in the creation of the US since they happened to choose that number.

Funny how many people have questioned my statement of 40 million Native Americans dead. Where is your disgust for the deniers of the genocide in the US?
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No doubt there were numerous genocides committed by Europeans against Amerindians since the colonization of the Americas began. Where are you getting the 40 million number, and how does it relate specifically to the creation of the United States?
 
And why are you completely ignoring the fact that the genocide of the Amerindians occurred well before the US became a country and also occurred in the territories of numerous other countries BESIDES Britain's?
 
kageki said:
First of all this thread is about the Holocaust so please stay on topic.
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It's been well established that the topic includes discussions of other events for comparison purposes, such as the decline of the Native American population you yourself brought up (again) a few posts ago. So, thanks for the reminder but I'm completely on topic.

Second of all I don't have a fit if you like to discuss the specifics of the bomb. If it is true some exaggerations were made then I'll believe it.

So the bomb was a hoax? Ok you got me.
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So, you're apparently willing to believe anything anyone tells you if it's convenient to do so. That explains a lot.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Sabrina said:
And why are you completely ignoring the fact that the genocide of the Amerindians occurred well before the US became a country and also occurred in the territories of numerous other countries BESIDES Britain's?
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There were genocides committed against North American Indians during Western Expansion which can be squarely blamed on the United States. They most certainly did not include anywhere near 40 million deaths, though.
 
Slayhamlet said:
There were genocides committed against North American Indians during Western Expansion which can be squarely blamed on the United States. They most certainly did not include anywhere near 40 million deaths, though.
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True. However, kageki has mentioned numerous times the atrocities Columbus perpetrated against Amerindians, and he was affiliated with Spain! I assumed, perhaps partially erroneously, that he meant only the deaths that occurred during the intial colonization of the North American continent. I would be happy to retract my statement if that is not the case.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Say, did any of the resident Holocaust deniers ever answer my question about if the Holocaust didn't happen does that make the Nazis a swell bunch who were just misunderstood?
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A lot of lies have been told about Hitler and the Third Reich. I’m sure most will agree with me on this point.
 
leftysergeant said:
Oh, BTW, I take it that those of you who think Poland provoked Hitler are entirely cool with the invasion and occupation of Iraq, right?
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I see the invasion of Iraq as a Zionist war for the Jews. Ditto for the coming war with Iran.
 
Sabrina said:
True. However, kageki has mentioned numerous times the atrocities Columbus perpetrated against Amerindians, and he was affiliated with Spain! I assumed, perhaps partially erroneously, that he meant only the deaths that occurred during the intial colonization of the North American continent. I would be happy to retract my statement if that is not the case.
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All I hear is pathetic attempts at denial.

As you all white Americans are aware. You are a conglomeration of European races. So saying Columbus was Spanish is just denial. Isn't Columbus considered the one who discovered America to whom we still celebrate his holiday hence marking the beginning of America?

The 40 million if anyone cares to look it up for themselves is apparently what happened between 1492-1650. So sure if "only" 40 million murdered in the initial stages makes you feel better then go right ahead.
 
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