[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

[Belz...]

This proves nothing.

Nothing ever proves anything to you. Don't you see a problem with that ?

Say, what would you accept as evidence that they DID have "death factories" ?

Because so far, when you're not saying that it doesn't prove anything, you say this:

It looks fake to me.

That's very convenient.

 

[kageki]

So its not that you don't think its possible, its just that you have some technical issues? Given that prisoners were used to move the corpses, I don't think that the safety of handling them was likely a major concern. And venting the chamber to free air would ensure the concentration of gas quickly diminished below the lethal level.



neither.

Well if it doesn't seem technically possible to kill many people with gas and dispose of them then yes it would seem that the witnesses could be wrong.

You show no ability to think. Even if they didn't care for the prisoners it does them no good if all of them die trying to dispose the bodies right?

Yes but not in the time frame described by the witnesses. Not how everyone dies in minutes and how it can be vented in such a short time. The details do not seem to match according to the physical properties of Zykon B gas pellets.

For these reasons it seems doubtful whether it even occurred.

 

[kageki]

In the context of WW2, yes, absolutely. No question. No equivocation. You bet. All in favor.

Nizkor link.

Wow really? Did Iceland do anything to deserve to be invaded?

What about Nizkor? I don't see a whole lot there that says much.

 

[Belz...]

You just don't like that I maybe right.

Actually, you may not be right. Ever. But I think it's the fact that you ignore every piece of evidence presented to you that's getting on people's nerves.

 

[kageki]

I don't speak to Ron Paul, nor do I have any interest in doing so. On the other hand, I have been speaking to you, and as I and the majority of the posters on here appreciate proper grammar and word usage, I thought you would appreciate the mild correction and cease using a noun as a verb. Was I wrong?

Yes because people do use it as a verb. Do a search for "demagoging".

You're just being a tightwad because you can't argue. Yes you should stop posting dribble.

kageki, keep in mind your membership agreement requires you to be civil. Attack the argument, and not the person making the argument.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jmercer

 

[kageki]

Actually, you may not be right. Ever. But I think it's the fact that you ignore every piece of evidence presented to you that's getting on people's nerves.

What a picture of corpses that died from a typhus outbreak?

That proves what exactly?

 

[Terry]

You show no ability to think.

Irony... level... approaching... lethality!

Even if they didn't care for the prisoners it does them no good if all of them die trying to dispose the bodies right?

You don't die right away from the kind of exposure you'd get from moving some bodies. Not that it is necessarily very good for you, of course.

Yes but not in the time frame described by the witnesses. Not how everyone dies in minutes and how it can be vented in such a short time.

They had big-ass ventilation fans.

The details do not seem to match according to the physical properties of Zykon B gas pellets.

For these reasons it seems doubtful whether it even occurred.

Seems doubtful to you, maybe.

 

[Sabrina]

Yes because people do use it as a verb. Do a search for "demagoging".

You're just being a tightwad because you can't argue. Yes you should stop posting dribble.

Reported, and while people may use it as such, I believe I pointed out that using it as such is done in error. Or did you not read the definition and the usage note at the end of it?

 

[kageki]

Reported, and while people may use it as such, I believe I pointed out that using it as such is done in error. Or did you not read the definition and the usage note at the end of it?

Well maybe you should get on tv and tell the media to stop using the word demagoging.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19033

Don't you think it's high time that you followed George Bush's lead in mustering the political courage to tackle this entitlement head-on, rather than demagoging the issue by scaring the elderly?

Sabrina you probably just looked up the word didn't you?

 

[kageki]

Irony... level... approaching... lethality!



You don't die right away from the kind of exposure you'd get from moving some bodies. Not that it is necessarily very good for you, of course.



They had big-ass ventilation fans.



Seems doubtful to you, maybe.

You're plain wrong. The gas is extremely lethal so it is dangerous to move the bodies.

Let's say the ventilation was ok. It still remains doubtful people would die in minutes as described. Why? Zyklon B is made in pellets so it can be slow release.

Well some experts seem to think it's doubtful.

 

[Pardalis]

For crying out loud people, stop feeding him.

 

[SpitfireIX]

You're plain wrong. The gas is extremely lethal so it is dangerous to move the bodies.

Let's say the ventilation was ok. It still remains doubtful people would die in minutes as described. Why? Zyklon B is made in pellets so it can be slow release.

Well some experts seem to think it's doubtful.

I discussed these points up-thread. First, the bodies were generally removed by prisoners who were allowed to live (at least temporarily) in return for performing the duty. Second, they wore gas masks.

As for the so-called "experts," I'll respond as I responded before. I sincerely hope you aren't claiming that Fred Leuchter^WP is an expert.

 

[Cleon]

Please discuss forum management issues in the appropriate area. Thread has been split off here.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cleon

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Don't be a moron seriously. You just discredit yourself.

I am afraid that I am going to require independent confirmation that I am being a moron before I consider your request.

The exact number of 6 millions JEWS that died in the Holocaust is being debated. Not the actual total deaths in the Holocaust.

So you're ok with the 11 million total casualties, but deny that 50+% of the casualties were jewish?

How did the nazis kill 11 million people of all ethnicities/religious persuasions without running death camps?

Auschwitz? This day camp?

Day camp? Please submit your evidence that Auschwitz inmates were allowed to return home in the evenings and trusteed to report back in the morning.

You honestly think that one word answer is sufficient as an answer?

It's more verbose than what my grandfathers brothers gave. They joined the RAF and dumped high explosives out the bellies of Wellingtons, Halifaxes and Lancasters.

Would you prefer I be less verbose with you?

Can we agree no Jews were burned alive in ovens?

Of course not.

Given the nazi regimes encouragement and rewarding of brutality and cruelty and the very large numbers of victioms involved, I find it hard to believe that at no point did any SS officer think it would be amusing to have a couple jews (or roma, disabled persons, political prisoners, etc...) skip the gas chambers and go straight into ovens kicking and screaming.

And I am still waiting for your rebunking of the testimonies of these 50,657 Holocaust experts.

 

[SDC]

Wow really? Did Iceland do anything to deserve to be invaded?

What about Nizkor? I don't see a whole lot there that says much.

In the context of WW2, I'm completely in favor of the Iceland occupation.

Nizkor link, Nizkor link, Nizkor link. And I don't believe you even looked there.

 

[kageki]

I discussed these points up-thread. First, the bodies were generally removed by prisoners who were allowed to live (at least temporarily) in return for performing the duty. Second, they wore gas masks.

As for the so-called "experts," I'll respond as I responded before. I sincerely hope you aren't claiming that Fred Leuchter^WP is an expert.

Gas is absorbed through the skin so you need more then a gas mask. Because of this the prisoners would die trying to remove the bodies even with a gas mask.

How about Wolfgang Froelich?

 

[Pardalis]

Gas is absorbed through the skin so you need more then a gas mask. Because of this the prisoners would die trying to remove the bodies even with a gas mask.

" In high concentrations, hydrogen cyanide is absorbed
through the skin; therefore complete reliance cannot
be placed on a gas mask. After 1 hour exposure, 100
to 250 ppm of HCN are dangerous."

[from: Elkins, Hervey B. _The Chemistry of Toxicology_.
(New York: John Wiley and Sons Ltd.) 2nd (c) 1959, p 94.]

Now, cyanide will absorb through the skin, but the text
explicity mentions a one _hour_ exposure time. For absorption
through the skin to have been a real danger, the Sonderkommando
at Auschwitz would have to work in cyanide concentrations of
100 to 250 ppm or higher for an hour or more."


That Nizkor link is really interesting, SDC

 

[Cleon]

" In high concentrations, hydrogen cyanide is absorbed
through the skin; therefore complete reliance cannot
be placed on a gas mask. After 1 hour exposure, 100
to 250 ppm of HCN are dangerous."

[from: Elkins, Hervey B. _The Chemistry of Toxicology_.
(New York: John Wiley and Sons Ltd.) 2nd (c) 1959, p 94.]

Now, cyanide will absorb through the skin, but the text
explicity mentions a one _hour_ exposure time. For absorption
through the skin to have been a real danger, the Sonderkommando
at Auschwitz would have to work in cyanide concentrations of
100 to 250 ppm or higher for an hour or more."

It's also worth noting that that is from exposure to the gas itself not second-hand exposure via handling exposed bodies. If it takes an hour for exposure to the gas before skin absorption is dangerous, then I'd think handling the bodies would require little more than washing your hands afterward.

 

[kageki]

It's also worth noting that that is from exposure to the gas itself not second-hand exposure via handling exposed bodies. If it takes an hour for exposure to the gas before skin absorption is dangerous, then I'd think handling the bodies would require little more than washing your hands afterward.

Well it's misleading since we're assuming the levels are that low. 300ppm is lethal. It also doesn't even seem to account for the gas released from the bodies which when combined would surely be much different. They seem to downplay the effects of HCN when all literature seems to say otherwise.

Also how long do you think body disposal would take?

 

[Cleon]

Well it's misleading

No, it's not.

It also doesn't even seem to account for the gas released from the bodies which when combined would surely be much different.

You must be under the (mistaken) impression that after exposure, the human body gives off cyanide gas like a popped balloon.

Also how long do you think body disposal would take?

Well, the actual procedure used for the body disposal is quite well-documented. You could actually read about it, y'know.

Nizkor link.