[Moderated]The Holocaust never happened!

[funk de fino]

The story from the Talmud is not evidence?

No

 

[kageki]

Kageki,

Do you now concede that the Germans did gas Jews?

Because you seem to be hiding in a corner screaming "they didnt burn people in ovens!"

Which is fine, (entirely up to you how you behave) but it makes you look silly. That's all

Well let's see it. You people never seem to cough up anything to back up your claims.

Mass gassings don't even seem possible. Testimonies are not solid evidence.

Well we are told that Nazis were burning people alive in ovens. I want to know if that was made up.

 

[Firestone]

The story from the Talmud is not evidence?

What story?
Where in the talmud is that story found?

Remember your claim: "The fixation on 6 million is from the Jews who take it out of the story from the Talmud."

Why can't you tell us what this story from the talmud is and where in the talmud the story is written.

Provide you evidence or retract your claim.

 

[kageki]

did you read it. it tells you he spoke earlier about it but not until now did he feel the need to speak out again

he did it now because of people like you who are ignorant and uninformed and spread lies about the holocaust

are you calling this man a liar?

yes.

 

[Dave Rogers]

When you say "industrialization" you do mean about extermination camps? Which means they had burned people alive in ovens and gassed people in gas chambers.

They did not exist. The trucks however may seem possible, but the feasibility of it is also disputed.

You're feverishly constructing strawmen here. There is overwhelming documentary, testimonial and physical evidence that the gas chambers existed and were used for mass killings. There is overwhelming documentary, testimonal and physical evidence that the ovens existed and wer used for cremating the victims of the gas chambers. These things are only disputed by those who agree or sympathise with the Nazi policy of Jewish extermination, and those disputes are characterised by avoidance or distortion of the evidence rather than honest reappraisal. Your behaviour in this thread has been entirely consistent with this approach.

Dave

 

[kageki]

What story?
Where in the talmud is that story found?

Remember your claim: "The fixation on 6 million is from the Jews who take it out of the story from the Talmud."

Why can't you tell us what this story from the talmud is and where in the talmud the story is written.

Provide you evidence or retract your claim.

I did read the article.

 

[funk de fino]

Well let's see it. You people never seem to cough up anything to back up your claims.

Mass gassings don't even seem possible. Testimonies are not solid evidence.

Well we are told that Nazis were burning people alive in ovens. I want to know if that was made up.

stop moving the goal posts, i posted a link to a soldier who saw the gassings

who is claimimg that they were being burned alive en mass in ovens?

they were gassed then burnt, oskar the german soldier proves it, as does the existence of the chambers and ovens

 

[Gravy]

Yes if they exist. I don't even see the point of your question.

Happy?

No, you are unclear. Yes if what exists? Evidence?

The point of my question is to get us all to focus on what's important to you, so that we can direct you to the information you need, and not chase after secondary and tertiary issues.

So let's take the next step. If you are saying that you could be convinced that the Nazis systematically killed millions of Jews, specifically what evidence would convince you?

This is the sixth time I'm asking. I'd appreciate it if you'd think about this and reply sincerely. Let's focus on what's most important. I'm sure you don't want to play games and waste our time. If you're not ready to answer, that's fine: take as many days as you need.

Is that a reasonable request, kageki?

 

[kageki]

You're feverishly constructing strawmen here. There is overwhelming documentary, testimonial and physical evidence that the gas chambers existed and were used for mass killings. There is overwhelming documentary, testimonal and physical evidence that the ovens existed and wer used for cremating the victims of the gas chambers. These things are only disputed by those who agree or sympathise with the Nazi policy of Jewish extermination, and those disputes are characterised by avoidance or distortion of the evidence rather than honest reappraisal. Your behaviour in this thread has been entirely consistent with this approach.

Dave

You keep repeating that it exists doesn't make it true.

What documents?

Unreliable testimonies?

What physical evidence?


Can you provide the evidence for your claims?

 

[kageki]

No, you are unclear. Yes if what exists? Evidence?

The point of my question is to get us all to focus on what's important to you, so that we can direct you to the information you need, and not chase after secondary and tertiary issues.

So let's take the next step. If you are saying that you could be convinced that the Nazis systematically killed millions of Jews, specifically what evidence would convince you?

This is the sixth time I'm asking. I'd appreciate it if you'd think about this and reply sincerely. Let's focus on what's most important. I'm sure you don't want to play games and waste our time. If you're not ready to answer, that's fine: take as many days as you need.

Is that a reasonable request, kageki?

Well this is the sixth time I've asked you to provide the evidence of your claims.

 

[Firestone]

I did read the article.

The article provides no evidence whatsoever for your claim: "The fixation on 6 million is from the Jews who take it out of the story from the Talmud."

So no evidence.
Why am I not surprised?

I rest my case.

 

[Paulhoff]

kageki you are one sick puppy.

Paul

 

[kageki]

stop moving the goal posts, i posted a link to a soldier who saw the gassings

who is claimimg that they were being burned alive en mass in ovens?

they were gassed then burnt, oskar the german soldier proves it, as does the existence of the chambers and ovens

Well isn't that what you are taught in your education about the Holocaust? That Jews were being burned alive in ovens? That's what I was told at least.

Glad I can scratch that off my list that the Nazis never burned any Jews alive.

Who's this oskar? Why can't you people start linking?

The existence of chambers and ovens don't prove what is claimed they were used for. Well we do know that ovens were used for cremations, but we knew that already.

 

[funk de fino]

yes.

This really says it all.

All the germans who say it happened, all the jews who say it happened, all the other nationalities who say it happened are lying?

the ovens and gas chambers do not exist and all photos are fakes?

you are a despicable human being and it embarasses me that i share the planet with such a ignorant person

 

[drkitten]

When you say "industrialization" you do mean about extermination camps?

Among other things.

Which means they had burned people alive in ovens

It's possible to have extermination camps without "burning people alive in ovens. There are more ways to kill people than by burning them.


Such as if one

gassed people in gas chambers.

Which they did. They then burned the bodies in crematoria, enough bodies to make a twenty-foot thick layer of human ash at Treblinka (IIRC).

The nature of that layer of ash is easily identifiable upon chemical analysis. How many bodies does it take to get that much ash? How do you get that many bodies short of deliberate extermination?

They did not exist.

Oh? What's your explanation for the 500,000 people who arrived at Belzec and never left?

You keep simply asserting that the extermination camps never existed. But merely stating someting over and over again doesn't make it true, rational, or even believable. If you really think that Belzec was something other than an extermination camp, then you should be able to explain what happened to all the people who (you believe) weren't exterminated there.

The trucks however may seem possible, but the feasibility of it is also disputed.

Not by anyone in command of the facts. Even Irving was forced to admit not only that it was feasible, but that it actually happened.

No "industrialization" more then how anyone would kill people in wars.

Killing nearly 100,000 civilians by gassing in trucks is hardly "how anyone would kill people in wars."

 

[Gravy]

Well this is the sixth time I've asked you to provide the evidence of your claims.

kageki, as I said, this subject is vast. You've already chosen not to respond to the links I've given you, which contain a vast amount of information to help people like you answer specific questions. Remember, that was your choice.

So let's focus on what you need to know to be convinced that Nazis systematically killed millions of Jews, okay?

As I said, if you can't think of any evidence that would convince you, then you should take as much time as you need to think about that. It's very important. If you decide that nothing would convince you, then you have an unfalsifiable belief and we cannot help you.

If you're ready to take the next step, let's proceed right now.

kageki, specifically what evidence would convince you that the Nazis systematically killed millions of Jews? Please do the respectful thing and give that a serious reply, so we can get right to directing you to that information.

Thank you.

 

[funk de fino]

Well isn't that what you are taught in your education about the Holocaust? That Jews were being burned alive in ovens? That's what I was told at least.

no, i was taught they were gassed then burnt. i guess you were alseep at this point

Glad I can scratch that off my list that the Nazis never burned any Jews alive.

irrelevant and, in fact, maybe at sometime they did, but no-one is fixated on this or claiming this

Who's this oskar? Why can't you people start linking?

the soldier who you are calling a liar, i linked already and you ignored what he said then called him a liar

The existence of chambers and ovens don't prove what is claimed they were used for. Well we do know that ovens were used for cremations, but we knew that already.

they do if we have testimonies that say what they were used for

 

[drkitten]

Well we do know that ovens were used for cremations, but we knew that already.

Good, good.... you're getting there. Now, how many cremations were the Treblinka ovens used for?

This is important, because every cremation implies a body, and every body implies a death. The crematoria at Belzec had enough capacity to burn the entire camp's population every month or so. Why would one need that much capacity?

 

[kageki]

This really says it all.

All the germans who say it happened, all the jews who say it happened, all the other nationalities who say it happened are lying?

the ovens and gas chambers do not exist and all photos are fakes?

you are a despicable human being and it embarasses me that i share the planet with such a ignorant person

Germans were tortured for their confessions. Not all the Jews say it happened. Some of them even admitted to lying.

The ovens and chambers do exist. Again they do not prove what is claimed that happened.

 

[kageki]

Good, good.... you're getting there. Now, how many cremations were the Treblinka ovens used for?

This is important, because every cremation implies a body, and every body implies a death. The crematoria at Belzec had enough capacity to burn the entire camp's population every month or so. Why would one need that much capacity?

I don't know how many did get cremated?

If you don't crush the bones they remain after cremation. So we are lead to believe they all turned to ash so we can just come up with any number we please?