[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

[Lyte Trip]

1) How does it contridict the Offical story? Where in the official story does it say that Flight 77 was in a recoverable flight mode prior to it hitting the Pentagon?

Are you new to this? Read the ASCE report or watch the security video.

The phsyical damage, lack of debris and untouched lawn requires the plane to be low and level.

2) Have you been in his office and seen what he can and can't see from it?

I just showed you the view.

I have been all over the area for the explicit PURPOSE of surveying points of view and canvassing for witnesses.

It is impossible for ANYONE across the Potomac to have seen the plane in the final moments before it allegedly hit according to the official flight path and physical damage.

Go there and see for yourself. It's quite obvious when you are there.

 

[Lyte Trip]

And yet there is no logical fallacy when one uses eyewitness testimony over physical evidence?

Haha!

Will somebody tell her what a logical fallacy is?

 

[beachnut]

Ok since nobody has been able to come up with one example I'm sure we can all agree that it is fair to say that not a single witness in the entire investigative body of evidence directly contradicts the citgo witnesses.

If you REALLY have that much faith in Lloyd's extremely questionable indirect contradiction to discount all the citgo witnesses I think you need to get you heads checked.

I was giving you a chance to listen to your own witnesses, they contradict you. Listen you have lost again.

William Lagasse, and Chadwick Brooks were Pentagon police officers on duty at the time of the attack. Lagasse was in the process of refueling his police car when the American Airliner flew past him so low that its wind blast knocked him into his vehicle. In an interview conducted in December 2001 , Lagasse described the secondary explosions and the search and recovery of injured Pentagon personnel. Brooks saw the hijacked plane clip lampposts and nosedive into the Pentagon and described the ensuing scenes of chaos in his interview, taped November 25, 2001.

saw the hijacked plane clip lampposts and nosedive into the Pentagon

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saw the hijacked plane clip lampposts and nosedive into the Pentagon

104 saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Craig:
I'm curious, you now want to use your real name when posting. Is it because you're not getting the level of attention you crave? Is your personal notoriety gained from the blood of the victims insufficient to satisfy your ego, or you wallet? Why did you lie to us when you said you submitted your "evidence" to the media and authorities. Clearly you didn't or you would either be a) touting the results or b) claiming they are covering it up.

Spare me the lame hollow rhetoric.

I have gone public with the research and information because I personally stand by it 100%.

I was there.

I talked to the witnesses.

They independently told me the same thing.

The only way to deny this evidence is to say that I staged it or that there was a statistical miracle and all of the witnesses that I happened to talk to simultaneously hallucinated the opposite of reality.

Our efforts to force the authorities and media to address the information will be ongoing.

We never promised quick results or even believed that there would be.

We KNEW that there would be heavy dismissal and denial.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Appeal to emotion. One of the lamest logical fallacies and a typical one to use when you know you are wrong.

"We do this for the future of our country and the world and for the countless 10's of thousands of innocents who have been murdered as a result of this fraudulent war on terror..."

http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showpost.php?p=2547485&postcount=48

 

[Lyte Trip]

I was giving you a chance to listen to your own witnesses, they contradict you. Listen you have lost again.

William Lagasse, and Chadwick Brooks were Pentagon police officers on duty at the time of the attack. Lagasse was in the process of refueling his police car when the American Airliner flew past him so low that its wind blast knocked him into his vehicle. In an interview conducted in December 2001 , Lagasse described the secondary explosions and the search and recovery of injured Pentagon personnel. Brooks saw the hijacked plane clip lampposts and nosedive into the Pentagon and described the ensuing scenes of chaos in his interview, taped November 25, 2001.

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None of these statements contradict the north side claim and therefore do NOT contradict the smoking gun.

We KNOW they believe the plane hit the building but the north side proves they were fooled about this.

Neither of them saw the light poles get clipped and they CLARIFIED this for the world to see.

They both deduced the light poles and ADMITTED THIS.

Funny how Sucherman and McGraw said the SAME THING and they were allegedly on route 27 with a perfect view of the poles!

 

[Lyte Trip]

"We do this for the future of our country and the world and for the countless 10's of thousands of innocents who have been murdered as a result of this fraudulent war on terror..."

http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showpost.php?p=2547485&postcount=48

Wow.

Great post of mine. (and a great quote)

Thanks for the link.

Ummm...........perhaps you need to look up what a logical fallacy is too.

The context of that response proves it is not one.

It was not an "appeal" to emotion it was an emotional response to an emotional attack.

I again say that you and those who cluster with you, dancing on the graves of those who died that day, and denying the stories of those of us that did not, that you have no honor. If you have *any* understanding of the military, you will understand the depth of that comment, but I doubt you will.

 

[332nd]

Haha!

Will somebody tell her what a logical fallacy is?

Wow... I know you're not used to girls but what makes you think I'm a her.


Now then, By your logic, eyewitness trumps physical evidence? Yes or no.


ETA: Oh Wait! my Avatar!?!??! Bwaaaaaaahahahaha! Ok lyte. Just so you understand. A lot of guys have girlfriends, fiancees, wives, and some times these women folk prefer to ride their own bikes. sorry for the confusion...

 

[beachnut]

Appeal to emotion. One of the lamest logical fallacies and a typical one to use when you know you are wrong.
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Perhaps you didn't watch where he clarified for the world on camera exactly what he saw.

Witnesses often deduce and embellish things and certainly make mistakes and Brooks AND Lagasse were both man enough to admit it what specific details are really true and what aren't.

This is why you have to CONFIRM published statements because reporters embellish too.

The north side claim was NEVER contradicted and it has been fully corroborated.

INDEPENDENT CORROBORATION is the only way for investigators to find the real truth from eyewitnesses.

List of EYEWITNESSES who make your story false and essentially a lie. {essentially a lie = for all intents and purposes a lie }
Anderson Steve
Anlauf Deb & Jeff
Arlington Co. Radio trans
Artman, Stuart
Banton, Ralph
Barbara
Battle
Battle, David
Bauer Gary
Baxter, John, Col.
Bease, Maurice
Bell Mickey
Benedetto Richard
Biggert Judy
Birdwell Brian
Boger Sean
Bouchoux Donald R.
Bowman John
Bradley, Pam
Braman Chris
Brennan, Donald
Bright Mark
Brooks, Chadwick
Brown Ervin
Bryceland, Frank
Campo, Omar
Candelario, Joseph
Carroll, Susan
Cissell James R.
Clem, Dennis
Cleveland Allen
Clodfelter, George
Close, Bernadette
Cook Scott P.
Cox, Richard (Arlington po)
Creed Dan
Damoose
Day Wayne T.
DeChiaro Steve
Defina
DiPaula Michael
Dobbs Mike
Donley, Daryl
Dougherty Jill
Dubill Bob
Dyson, John
Eberle Bobby
Eiden Steve
Elgas Penny
Elhallan, Aziz
Elliott Bruce
Evey Walker Lee
Faram Mark
Flyler Kim
Ford Ken
Fortunato Don
Foust, Barry (Arlington po)
Frost Stephen S.
Gaines Kat
Gaskins, Fred
Gerard, Steven
Gerson, Mike
Hagos Afework
Hahr, Matt
Harrington Joe
Hemphill Albert
Henson Jerry
Hernandez, Eugenio
Hovis Tom
Hudson, Ed
Hunt Bob
Hurst, Joe
James, Isabel
James, Michael
Jarvis Will
Johnson, Megan
Jones, Eric
Kaiser, Andrea
Kean Terrance
Keglovich, James
Kelly, Lesley
Khavkin D. S.
Kirk Mark Steven
Kizildrgli Aydan
Kopf, Peter
Krohn Charles H.
Krug, Ann
Lagasse William
Le Grand, La Verne
Leonard, Robert
Leibner Lincoln
Lyman, Mary
M. K.
M., Rick
M.J.
Marra David
Martinez Oscar
Mason, Don
McClain Tom
McClellan Kenneth
McCoy, Steve (eng. 101)
McCusker Elaine
McGraw Stephen
McNair Phil
Middleton William Sr.
Milburn Kirk
Mitchell Terry
Mitchell, Mitch
Mondul, Steve
Moody Sheila
Morin Terry
Mosley James
Munsey Christopher
Murphy Peter M.
Murray, Patty (Senator)
Narayanan Vin
Navy Admiral, unnamed
NBC News interview
Neri, Michael
O'Keefe John
Owens Mary Ann
Pak, Zinovy
Patterson Steve
Perkal Don
Perry, Scott
Peterson Christine
Petitt, Mark
Pfeilstucker Daniel C. Jr
Plaisted, Linda
Powell, Reginald
Probst Frank
Ragland Clyde
Ramey, Wanda
Regnery Alfred S.
Renzi Rick
Riskus, Steve
Robbins James S
Rodriguez Meseidy
Rosati Arthur
Roser, John F.
Royster, Joseph
Ryan James
Ryan, Darb (Vice Admir)
Sabre, Qawly
Schickler Rob
Scott Don
Seibert Tom
Sepulveda Noel
Shaeffer Kevin
Sheuerman Philip
Singleton Jack
Skarlet
Slater Mike
Smiley, Elizabeth
Smith, Dennis
Snaman, Steve
Snavel Dewey
Sorenson, Kristopher Leigh
Stanley, G.T.
Stephens Levi
Storage Tech. Employees
Storti, Steve
Stuart, Chris
Sucherman Joel
Sustern, Greta
Sutherland Jim
Tamillow Michael
Taylor, Shari
Terronez Tony
Thompson Carla
Thompson Phillip
Ticknor Henry (minister)
Timmerman Don "Tim"
Tinyk, Michael
Trapasso, Thomas
Turner Ron
Unidentified witness on video
Vaughan, Clyde (Brig. Gen)
Velasquez Jose
Vera, Michael
Wallace Alan
Wallace Terry
Walter Mike
Washington, Rodney
Wheelhouse Keith
Winslow Dave
Wright Don
Wyatt Ian
Wyatt, Ian
Yates John
Yeingst William
Zakheim Madelyn

Then there are thousands of pieces of evidence, and you are too challenged to find them! Sad, so sad.

The list includes, FDR, DNA from bodies on flight 77 found and no one was found planting evidence. Sorry. You are so disrespectful to those who died on 77 and the Pentagon. So sad. The list continues and guess you will never be able to find a fact. Can you name another piece, there are thousands. Engine parts, oxygen generator parts, seats, landing gear, 10 wheel rims, thousands of blades from 2 jet engines, shreds of plane, balance weights for flight controls, wing tip, ...

Should I list more?

 

[PhantomWolf]

Are you new to this? Read the ASCE report or watch the security video.

The phsyical damage, lack of debris and untouched lawn requires the plane to be low and level.

No I'm not, and you should know, since you have been there, that to hit the ground floor they would have had to dive since the roadway is quite a bit higher than the Pentagon. If it was flying level, it would have hit the roof or upper floors.

I just showed you the view.

I have been all over the area for the explicit PURPOSE of surveying points of view and canvassing for witnesses.

No you didn't, you selected Scott Cook's and used that as if everyone would have the same view. Again I ask, have you been in James Robbins' office to know what he can and can't see.

It is impossible for ANYONE across the Potomac to have seen the plane in the final moments before it allegedly hit according to the official flight path and physical damage.

I can see several lines of sight that would allow it, barring the possiblity of trees, especially when the viewer is six stories up.

Go there and see for yourself. It's quite obvious when you are there.

Care to pay the ticket price?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Wow... I know you're not used to girls but what makes you think I'm a her.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6485http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/12044467af2cd27d18.gif

Now then, By your logic, eyewitness trumps physical evidence? Yeas or no.

Trumps?

This is an investigation into mass murder not a card game.

To suggest that physical evidence always reveals the truth and that eyewitness testimony never does is......well.....not logical.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Should I list more?

Sure go ahead because so far you have not provided a single one that directly contradicts the north side claim.

 

[332nd]

Trumps?

This is an investigation into mass murder not a card game.

So when are you going to give this info to someone who will prosecute
the crimes?

To suggest that physical evidence always reveals the truth and that eyewitness testimony never does is......well.....not logical.

Examples?

 

[beachnut]

None of these statements contradict the north side claim and therefore do NOT contradict the smoking gun.

We KNOW they believe the plane hit the building but the north side proves they were fooled about this.

Neither of them saw the light poles get clipped and they CLARIFIED this for the world to see.

They both deduced the light poles and ADMITTED THIS.

Funny how Sucherman and McGraw said the SAME THING and they were allegedly on route 27 with a perfect view of the poles!

That will not float in a court of law. Either you are making up lies and coaching them or they are just telling lies now. Or they forgot. Your witnesses are impeached 5 years ago. This is a redo buddy. Sorry, you lost and the evidence you have ignored is posted here.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

There is enough at that location to debunk you. Too bad you are just a disrespectful liar, you need to stop making up stuff.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
This proves the Pentacon wrong, the Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) wrong, 9/11 fraud of Merc and Craig Ranke of CIT about the Pentagon, all false. 9/11 truth movement, PFT, Dylan of Loose Change, the Pentacon are fact free. Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, and the CIT wants you to believe flight 77 flew over the Pentagon. Why do they make up stuff about 9/11.

Remember, thousands of facts and evidence prove you wrong, posted here - http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

 

[Lyte Trip]

No I'm not, and you should know, since you have been there, that to hit the ground floor they would have had to dive since the roadway is quite a bit higher than the Pentagon. If it was flying level, it would have hit the roof or upper floors.

Then it would have missed the light poles and not coincide with the many witness statements that it traveled "tree top level" over the neighborhoods of Arlington.

The entire official story has to work together.

No you didn't, you selected Scott Cook's and used that as if everyone would have the same view. Again I ask, have you been in James Robbins' office to know what he can and can't see.

Again....you would not be able to see it from ANYWHERE in DC.

This is fact.

Ask people. Study the witnesses more. They could not have seen it.

I can see several lines of sight that would allow it, barring the possiblity of trees, especially when the viewer is six stories up.

You are wrong.

It would be an indistinguishable dot headed straight towards them for a fraction of a second hidden on the horizon and tree levels.

You have clearly not been there and no I won't pay for your trip.

 

[Lyte Trip]

That will not float in a court of law. Either you are making up lies and coaching them or they are just telling lies now. Or they forgot. Your witnesses are impeached 5 years ago. This is a redo buddy. Sorry, you lost and the evidence you have ignored is posted here.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

There is enough at that location to debunk you. Too bad you are just a disrespectful liar, you need to stop making up stuff.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
This proves the Pentacon wrong, the Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) wrong, 9/11 fraud of Merc and Craig Ranke of CIT about the Pentagon, all false. 9/11 truth movement, PFT, Dylan of Loose Change, the Pentacon are fact free. Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, and the CIT wants you to believe flight 77 flew over the Pentagon. Why do they make up stuff about 9/11.

Remember, thousands of facts and evidence prove you wrong, posted here - http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Blanket denials and constant cut and paste.

Why do you bother?

Enough with the lame straw men already.

Either make a direct point or concede!

The north side claim has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt and remains 100% irrefuted.

 

[beachnut]

Sure go ahead because so far you have not provided a single one that directly contradicts the north side claim.

Even the FDR debunks your north of the CITGO station. (Pentagon, 9/11, witnesses, CIT)

Physics makes the north of the CITGO flight path impossible. (the aircraft can not turn and make the fly over the impact zone cause some idiot is using the NTSB video to line up the pentagon approach of 77, and the ground is not sync to the aircraft. You have used the PFT stuff by mistake, those guys are all messed up)

Your own witnesses debunk you and you ignore the fact you have impeached your own witnesses. And you are seen on video coaching them and changing their evidence. Any kid can see you are coaching them and changing their diagrams, messing up their testimony, it is so bad. Go ahead try to debunk what they said and it impeaches their credibility, and you have lost. (Debunked, and it was so easy)

William Lagasse, and Chadwick Brooks were Pentagon police officers when the American Airliner flew past. In an interview conducted in December 2001 , Lagasse described the secondary explosions and the search and recovery of injured Pentagon personnel. Brooks saw the hijacked plane clip lampposts and nosedive into the Pentagon and described the ensuing scenes of chaos in his interview, taped November 25, 2001.

It is true, flying over the north side of the CITGO station is impossible for an aircraft to do as you plotted it. Any body can look up the flying physics and calculate it.

And if anyone does not understand 9/11 and the fraud of the Pentacon team with respect to the Pentagon, then visit this web site and learn how to think for yourself. If you have been fooled by 9/11 truth, you can still become a logical and rational human by reading and learning. Try it. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

 

[332nd]

Blanket denials and constant cut and paste.

Why do you bother?

Enough with the lame straw men already.

Either make a direct point or concede!

The north side claim has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt and remains 100% irrefuted.

You're right Lyte. You have 5 days to use this proven-beyond-a-resonable-doubt evidence that is, 100% irrefuted to bring actual charges on the true perps.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Even the FDR debunks your north of the CITGO station. (Pentagon, 9/11, witnesses, CIT)

Physics makes the north of the CITGO flight path impossible. (the aircraft can not turn and make the fly over the impact zone cause some idiot is using the NTSB video to line up the pentagon approach of 77, and the ground is not sync to the aircraft. You have used the PFT stuff by mistake, those guys are all messed up)

We have NEVER used the FDR to back up our witnesses. Never.

The flight path we propose is not impossible. We will prove it.

Your own witnesses debunk you and you ignore the fact you have impeached your own witnesses. And you are seen on video coaching them and changing their evidence. Any kid can see you are coaching them and changing their diagrams, messing up their testimony, it is so bad. Go ahead try to debunk what they said and it impeaches their credibility, and you have lost. (Debunked, and it was so easy)

More blanket statements of denial. Why do you constantly spew unsupported nonsense?

Quote me. ProveI led them.

The only leading I did was towards the official story as devils advocate.

It is true, flying over the north side of the CITGO station is impossible for an aircraft to do as you plotted it. Any body can look up the flying physics and calculate it.

You are wrong and once again you do not back up your statement.

And if anyone does not understand 9/11 and the fraud of the Pentacon team with respect to the Pentagon, then visit this web site and learn how to think for yourself. If you have been fooled by 9/11 truth, you can still become a logical and rational human by reading and learning. Try it. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Haha.

You're like a robot!

 

[Lyte Trip]

You're right Lyte. You have 5 days to use this proven-beyond-a-resonable-doubt evidence that is, 100% irrefuted to bring actual charges on the true perps.

5 days?

Why?

1. I never said our evidence proves WHO did it. That's what we need an investigation for.

2. We never claimed that the evidence wouldn't be ignored and dismissed for as long as possible.