[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

[Skeptic4Sure]

So since this is becoming boring and unproductive, I guess I have my answers.

The only thing left to do is drop the bomb and watch all the little ants run and go crazy.

We'll have to wait for that. I guess this thread is going to be inactive until the evidence is presented.

Ta-ta, all.

 

[Garb]

Yes, that's it. Thank you for the free session Dr. Phil.

Tell you what, change your avatar to something that doesn't reveal your emotional issues and we'll talk.

Care to answer everyone's questions instead of attacking everyone who believes you are wrong?

I mean, you are looking for the truth, yes?

 

[Pardalis]

Goodbye Killtown.

 

[Bell]

Yes, that's it. Thank you for the free session Dr. Phil.

Tell you what, change your avatar to something that doesn't reveal your emotional issues and we'll talk.

What's that JDX? Not proud to have a personal fanclub? [/sarcasm]

 

[Garb]

So since this is becoming boring and unproductive, I guess I have my answers.

The only thing left to do is drop the bomb and watch all the little ants run and go crazy.

We'll have to wait for that. I guess this thread is going to be inactive until the evidence is presented.

Ta-ta, all.

Sorry, an eternity just doesn't work for me.

 

[Bell]

So since this is becoming boring and unproductive, I guess I have my answers.

The only thing left to do is drop the bomb and watch all the little ants run and go crazy.

We'll have to wait for that. I guess this thread is going to be inactive until the evidence is presented.

Ta-ta, all.

That would be indefinitely...

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I am playing games as much as you are playing games.

You people make a pathetic hobby out of ridiculing those who OBVIOUSLY do what they do BECAUSE OF the "innocent citizens". You live for quotes. You live for their mistakes. People who, although in your opinion are misguided or mistaken in some instances, are doing this out of concern and care. You are standing in the way of victim family members who DO believe 9/11 was an inside job or want a true and real independent investigation.

Your evidence is further accusations?! How is my demanding logically consistent, objective, verifiable evidence that can hold up to scrutiny "standing in the way"? On what basis can you even begin to assume my motivations for being critical of what you put forth? You accused me of playing games with the memories of the victims that day, provide evidence supporting that accusation or retract that claim.

I am part of something historical that will be providing answers and helping provide closure to this mess, no matter what it brings.

I am doing this out of love for my country and my fellow citizen.

So don't you dare try and insinuate that I am using the memories of victims.

I have shown where you are treating this as a game. This entire thread is ample evidence of your attitude towards the subject and no amount of back-peddling or obfuscation on your part will hide it.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Mackey, I have it. And so will you all. Soon.

You are not messing with a typical run of the mill theorist/blogger.

You guy's will have your work cut out for you.

Then you guys can stalk me, track my every move and word, then make fun of me on these boards because it makes you all feel better.

Yawn.

 

[Gravy]

You people make a pathetic hobby out of ridiculing those who OBVIOUSLY do what they do BECAUSE OF the "innocent citizens". You live for quotes.

Well here are some quotes from from your friends at Loose Change. Care to point out where the respect for the victims is, Skeptic?

Avery: The other thing which I didn't get to mention in the movie, which I'm going to, is a little kid by the name of Bernard Brown Jr., a eight or nine-year-old boy [he was 11] who on the morning of 9/11 was going on a National Geographic field trip with his class, and on that morning his father, Bernard Brown Sr., who works in the Navy wing of the Pentagon, sat his son down and had a talk with him about death, because his son was scared about flying on the plane, or whatever.

And Bernard Sr. was like 'Hey, don't be afraid to die, because everybody's gonna some day," and his son got on flight 77 and we know what happened to that. Oh, actually, we DON'T know what happened to flight 77, but we do know what happened to Bernard. And Bernard Brown Sr., according to his wife, took an UNUSUAL day off from work to go play golf. Like, this is a man who never took a single day off of work, and after telling his son not to be afraid to die, he takes a day off work to go play GOLF, and had he not been on the golf course, he would have been killed.

Host: Has anybody tried to question him?

Avery: "Um, me and Phil (Jayhan, “LC’s” original producer) were actually considering tracking him down and getting him on the phone, to talk to him about 9/11 and see if anything slips. But I think he was either deeply involved in it, and talking to him on the phone might not be such a hot idea, or talking to him about sending his son to die might be a bad idea. Since that article was published...by MSNBC, I believe nobody's actually tried to contact him, and we actually haven't heard from him since.

Bermas, on flights 77 and 93:
"Well, honestly, the thing is with the bodies and the people is, WE didn't say those people are on the planes, so we shouldn't be the ones to have to prove it. The government is the people saying these bodies and these people are on these planes, come and show us the pictures. Show us the body parts. Show us some identification that these people you know, were actually there. I'm not saying that a lot of these people weren't alive or weren't real, but it just comes to the fact that there are no bodies there. So explain to us why not, because there's seriously a problem."

Avery: Ha Ha Ha Ha! Have you seen how small those things [box cutters] are? Like, if I was on a flight, with, you know, at least 50 other people – because that's the smallest number I think was on 9/11* – if I was in the cabin, with 50 other people, and five people – I don't care if they're Muslim or not – stand up with box cutters and say they're gonna hijack the plane, I'm gonna laugh in their face!

Blood: And these pilots, I mean, we interviewed Debra Burlingame, whose brother Chick was the one sup-posedly flying that plane that hit the Pentagon–

Avery: Oh, that's right! I heard about that!

Blood: –And of course she is a TOTAL shill for the Republican Party, she also spoke at the [Republican Na-tional] Convention. And is it ABSURD that she went on and on about how her brother was ex-military, how she knows that her brother and the other pilots fought for their lives, against these deadly terrorists–

Avery: Yeaaah, yeah. Whatever.

Blood: (mocking an Arabic accent): It is my releegion to keel you with thees box cutter!

Avery: Ha ha!

Blood: Didn't Rumsfeld say, right after this happened, that they had actually done this with plastic knives and not box cutters?

Avery: Yeah, he said that in the same interview where he said that a missile hit the Pentagon.

Blood: OH MY GOD! HE'S GOT A PLASTIC KNIFE!

Avery: HAHAHA!

Blood: RUN!

Avery: HE'S GOT A BUTTER KNIFE FROM BREAKFAST! OH, NO!

Blood: Take the plane, sir. We don't want any trouble.

Avery: HE'S GOING TO SCRATCH ME A LITTLE BIT! HUH HUH!

Blood: UN-BELIEVABLE! Well, that's exactly what we're saying. That's an overused term, or underused term, "unbelievable."

Avery: (Still laughing): It's ABSOLUTELY unbelievable!

Blood: (doing accent again): It's un-bee-leevable!

Avery: What's even MORE unbelievable is how people will DEFEND this!

Avery: They (the victims) didn't die on these planes as we are told. There is actually some evidence that some of these people were already dead before 9/11.

Avery: So...Paul Greengrass' atrocity of a film [United 93] opens the Tribeca Film Festival tonight at 7:30 PM.

WHERE: Ziegfeld Theatre 141 West 54th Street New York City, NY
WHEN: Tuesday, April 25, 2006
6:30 PM Filmmaker and Family Arrivals
7:30 PM Screening Begins

We'll be there. How 'bout you guys?

EDIT: Let me clarify...we're not actually going to watch it. We're going to make our presence and our objections to this big-budget whitewash known, which are echoed by anyone who didn't lose a family member on Flight 93.

Avery: I mean, you have Edna Cintron, which is actually the woman who is looking out the gash in the World Trade Center. I mean, this woman is standing there, I mean, she's just looking out the hole, and I mean, there's supposedly 2,000 degree inferno right behind her, and, I mean, she's able to stand here and look out this hole and wave for help. I mean, her clothes aren't on fire, I mean, her clothes aren't even singed from what we can see.

Host: You're saying a plane didn't hit the Pentagon. But there are 59 families who are missing loved ones. What do you suggest happened to the people who were on this plane?

Avery: I mean, hey, man, I can't sit here and lie about the family members and say that either the passengers were in on it, or that the family members are government agents. I mean, I'm not saying that. I mean, these people who lost their loved ones, I mean, their loved ones are obviously dead, they're obviously gone, I mean, I'm not saying that they're on a payroll somewhere, I mean, I'm just trying to ask questions, I'm not trying to accuse anybody of covering something up, well, I mean, I'm obviously accusing the government of covering something up, but, I mean, I'm not trying to implicate the passengers, because, I mean, they're just as innocent as anyone else, man."

Avery: Well, probably not in the case of flight 93 – if flight 93 existed, that is…

Avery on flight 77: There were a number of employees of Raytheon, which is the developer of the Global Hawk, there was actually three members of Boeing on that plane, um, EMS Solutions, which I think is a company that develops ballistic and cruise missiles. There's a lot of different theories about this, but it seems like either these people were a part of 9/11, and they told them, like, 'Yeah, get on this plane, we're gonna take you to a conference, and that was the end of that. Or, they were already in the wing of the Pentagon, because, you know, the Navy is the one that got hit, and they were either already in that wing and they just made them passengers, but, I mean, there's really no way to absolutely tell.

Bermas: The other big question we get all the time is, "Well, where did the people go?" And our answer to that is, the fact is, we really don't know. And we really need a serious investigation to find out. But...the people are really secondary."

On Todd Beamer’s “Let’s roll” phone call from flight 93:
(Avery, Rowe or Bermas): It's a total joke.
(Avery, Rowe or Bermas): It's fiction.
Host: It's an American slogan to get us motivated to do something about terrorism.
Avery: It was a war cry.

Dylan Avery is proud to be videotaped trying to convince a 9/11 widow that the U.S. government murdered her husband:

Avery: I would love to give you a copy of my documentary "Loose Change." ...The reason I'm doing this is because I believe your husband deserves the truth. I believe your husband – I want to be honest with you – our government killed your husband. Without a doubt."

Widow: He was murdered... [She has already made it clear that she believes the Islamic terrorists were responsible.]

Avery: It was cold, calculated murder. But it was not some guy in a cave thousands of miles away. I know it's very hard to accept, but I've been researching this for three years, and I have seen so much, so much proof, it's just like, it's overwhelming. I mean, it comes to a point where you just see all this in front of you and you say, 'No way. There's no way what our government is telling us is true.'

Avery: Do you know who ran security at the World Trade Center? Marvin Bush.

Widow: Oh, no, I didn't know that.

Avery: Go figure, right? (Laughs) It always comes back to a Bush! (Laughs)

Avery: Ground Zero this year is gonna be nuts. It's gonna be so insane. I mean, I can't wait. I mean, we're gonna have thousands of people there.

Avery: If the media wants to cover Ground Zero, they're going to have to cover us.

Rowe: If we get so many people down there, the news media, if they want a wide shot they HAVE to cover us.

Avery: The biggest thing that we're really trying to get going, is for people who know about this to show up at Ground Zero on 9/11 this year. It's a Monday. We're going to be there early. And every major media outlet in the world is going to be there. And this is our chance to break through. Instead of being viewed as conspiracy nuts, or wackos, and people need a real cause.

Bermas: There's gonna be every major media outlet in the world at Ground Zero, and if they want a wide shot, they're gonna have to cover us, and a hundred signs that say "9/11 Was an Inside Job," and everything else. And if nothing else is done a year later, and there's no kind of progress in a real investigation, some kind of real prosecution so we can get these upper echelons of people, then in 2007 we're going down to the White House, and we're not leaving until something is done.

Avery: I'm organizing the biggest protest ever for this year at Ground Zero on Monday. We've got a few hundred people already, and we're trying to get it to a few thousand. This is gonna be the mainstream media event of the year! The major media everywhere is gonna be there, and if they wanna cover the memorial, they're gonna have to cover us, because there's so many of us in numbers.

Rowe: Just another point: We're going to be at Ground Zero this year, wearing "Investigate 9/11" shirts, and every major media outlet in the world is going to be there. ...The news media won't be able to ignore us. They will have to cover us if they want to cover the memorial.

Care to point out the concern for the victims that's displayed in these quotes, Skeptic4Sure?

 

[Gravy]

You're going to have to keep waiting.

Why don't you post the confrontation between you and Alex and we'll start there?

I'll see if I can make some time for you.

There's a whole section devoted to it, with a verbatim transcript, in the WTC 7 paper that's linked in my signature.

So have at it. Or are you the coward that you appear to be?

ETA: well, he answered that question.

 

[T.A.M.]

Comments:

1. If there were multiple, credible witnesses that have signed sworn testimonies that they saw A Jet airliner fly into the pentagon, but from a different angle than the official one, I would then have to see this evidence presented to the officials who claim different and listen to their response.

2. Any "technical analysis" of the flight path data that flies in the face of the official story, I would not believe until it is INDEPENDENTLY varified by a source that is known to be trusted.

3. If all of the above resulted in a "change in the flight path of AA77" from the original, would this then mean 9/11 was an inside job....um....NO, far from it. Kind of like saying that because John was wearing red socks instead of green ones, that it wasnt John....um ya it was, he was just wearing different colored socks.

I wait with amusement for the evidence.

TAM

 

[Dog Town]

S bore S said...

So since this is becoming boring and unproductive, I guess I have my answers.

Yes... as I am sure your answers will be boring and unproductive, not to mention flat out wrong!

The only thing left to do is drop the bomb and watch all the little ants run and go crazy.

Why does it not surprise me you live in such squalor?

We'll have to wait for that.

Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

I guess this thread is going to be inactive until the evidence is presented

Well the sun explodes in about four billion years!

Ta-ta, all.

I wish you meant that! Bet you can't stay away! O' and good riddance!

DT

 

[Pardalis]

Yawn.

The always succinct Regnad!

 

[Regnad Kcin]

The gent at the center of this "discussion" certainly reads an awful lot like our ol' friend Killtown. Makes no difference to me, just an observation based on writing styles, posting style, and basic premises.

ETA: Now that I've read the entire thread, I see others have offered a similar idea as above. Oh well.

 

[T.A.M.]

I think all the CTers that post here are the same person, who suffers from a form of multiple personality disorder called "multiple similar sock puppet disorder".

TAM

 

[uk_dave]

So the whole conspiracy theory now hangs upon the credibility of a witness or witnesses who will state categorically that the plane passed the north side of citgo, yes?

And if the credibility of that witness or witnesses can be called into question, you will concede that no conspiracy theory exists for the events of 9/11, yes?

 

[uk_dave]

crikey...you get one phone call in between reading s4s's comment and replying to it, and the whole thread fills up in between!!

 

[Roger_Harris]

So the whole conspiracy theory now hangs upon the credibility of a witness or witnesses who will state categorically that the plane passed the north side of citgo, yes?

And if the credibility of that witness or witnesses can be called into question, you will concede that no conspiracy theory exists for the events of 9/11, yes?

Of course not. Didn't you see it; his witnesses are "adamant." That's proof positive that the physical evidence was faked. (Unless you're Lloyd England, that is; in which case, being adamant proves you're a liar AND the physical evidence was faked.)

 

[Pardalis]

I wonder if his "new witnesses" actually saw what they saw, or just deduced it.

 

[Horatius]

I wonder if his "new witnesses" actually said anything to support his theories, or if he's just going to quotemine and strategically misunderstand them.