Miracle of the Shroud IV - The Phantom Image

[Mojo]

As for the immortality thread, you ran away from it having had your argument completely dismantled. Why on earth would you want to return to it?

Proverbs 26:11.

 

[Sideroxylon]

- I've wanted to eventually get back to the immortality thread

You think it might be some time before you can provide any evidence for the cloth?

 

[John Jones]

Filippo,
- I've sent out requests for help in finding areas of expertise and credentials of shroud scientists -- but haven't received any so far...
- I've wanted to eventually get back to the immortality thread, and just wanted to make sure I could still find it -- and, decided to look while I was waiting for help.

- Not to worry. I'll be back.

Here's one: Walter McCrone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_McCrone

Here's one on STURP. That took me all of 4 minutes. You said you've been studying the CIQ for decades? Color me incredulous.

 

[Craig4]

Filippo,
- I've sent out requests for help in finding areas of expertise and credentials of shroud scientists -- but haven't received any so far...
- I've wanted to eventually get back to the immortality thread, and just wanted to make sure I could still find it -- and, decided to look while I was waiting for help.

- Not to worry. I'll be back.

Why did you post the list when you didn't know what kind of scientists they were?

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Filippo,
- I've sent out requests for help in finding areas of expertise and credentials of shroud scientists -- but haven't received any so far...
- I've wanted to eventually get back to the immortality thread, and just wanted to make sure I could still find it -- and, decided to look while I was waiting for help.

- Not to worry. I'll be back.

Also ask them to give a definitive list of facets of the shroud that have not been reproduced.

I'll not hold my breath.

 

[Craig4]

Near as I can't tell, one person on the list was a medical examiner in Texas and another was a conservationist at a museum in LA. The rest have completely unrelated expertise. I'm not sure if either had sufficient access to the Shroud for their knowledge to be of much value though.

 

[Rincewind]

Near as I can't tell, one person on the list was a medical examiner in Texas and another was a conservationist at a museum in LA. The rest have completely unrelated expertise. I'm not sure if either had sufficient access to the Shroud for their knowledge to be of much value though.

Would it be out of order to ask if anybody knows the religious affiliation of these "experts"?

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Can I have ten bob on Zoroastrians?

 

[Rincewind]

Can I have ten bob on Zoroastrians?

I'm torn between Shroudists and Jabbaists...

 

[AdMan]

- Not to worry. I'll be back.

Your threats stopped being scary long ago.

 

[Belz...]

Filippo,
- I've sent out requests for help in finding areas of expertise and credentials of shroud scientists -- but haven't received any so far...

How about you read this thread?

I've wanted to eventually get back to the immortality thread

Another basic concept you don't grasp. Go nuts.

 

[John Jones]

Would it be out of order to ask if anybody knows the religious affiliation of these "experts"?

McCrone was agnostic, IIRC. (Jabba, IIRC means If I Recall Correctly)

 

[Slowvehicle]

Filippo,
- I've sent out requests for help in finding areas of expertise and credentials of shroud scientists -- but haven't received any so far...
- I've wanted to eventually get back to the immortality thread, and just wanted to make sure I could still find it -- and, decided to look while I was waiting for help.

- Not to worry. I'll be back.

There is a fundamental dishonesty in the way those "scientists" are listed, and referred to, by STURP. A specific example is the way Rogers, London, Morris, Janney, and Janney are often referred to (by STURP cheerleaders) as the "LANL Team", or the "Team from LANL"; when, in fact, it would be more accurate to refer to them as "a group of sidonist hobbyists, conceptually committed to the authenticity of the CIL, who happened to work at LANL in various capacities, but whose work on the CIQ was independent of any affiliation with LANL". LANL never participated in, endorsed, or authorized any official study of the CIQ; Rogers, for instance, did his chemistry at home, in his kitchen, without ever dealing with the CIQ itself.

You might find this fun:
http://shroudofturin.com/Resources/CRTSUMSTURPTEAM.pdf

What have you discovered about Morris' opinion about Fe₂O₃ on the sized and gessoed surface of the CIQ?

 

[Slowvehicle]

Would it be out of order to ask if anybody knows the religious affiliation of these "experts"?

...our team included three Jewish members (Al Adler, Don Devan and me), one Mormon, one Evangelical, several Catholics, several Protestants and some avowed atheists and agnostics...
Barrie Schwortz
President, STERA, Inc.
Editor & Founder
Shroud of Turin Website

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/answering.pdf

 

[Craig4]

Would it be out of order to ask if anybody knows the religious affiliation of these "experts"?

Not totally sure but I don't get the feeling that you make that list unless you've got an imaginary friend.

 

[Donn]

…CRTSUMSTURPTEAM…

Gesundheit!

 

[Donn]

Faith in the image on the shroud takes skin deep to new heights.

 

[Rincewind]

Not totally sure but I don't get the feeling that you make that list unless you've got an imaginary friend.

Well, as you might imagine, I'm totally SHOCKED at this suggestion...



I'm sure that when Jabba returns, he'll be able to give the credentials for all the "experts".

Just remember, being the leader of a major interstellar crime syndicate has to take up an awful lot of his time.

 

[aleCcowaN]

- Not to worry. I'll be back.

No worries. We know you need us.

 

[abaddon]

No worries. We know you need us.

Interesting observation. Yrreg springs to mind.