Miracle of the Shroud IV - The Phantom Image

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Agatha said:
Joseph S. Accetta, Lockheed Corporation* His expertise is in optical sensors. But he does have a PhD.
Steven Baumgart, U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories* I can't find him on the internet to assess his area of expertise.
John D. German, U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories* Can't find him either, though to be fair his surname may make it difficult.
Ernest H. Brooks II, Brooks Institute of Photography* He appears to be a photographer, but not a scientist.
Mark Evans, Brooks Institute of Photography* There are too many famous people called Mark Evans for me to be able to find him on the net.
Vernon D. Miller, Brooks Institute of Photography* Another photographer, appearing to specialise in nudes.
Donald Devan, Oceanographic Services Inc.* His expertise was in computer image analysis, but though he studied physics he does not appear to have a PhD
Rudolph J. Dichtl, University of Colorado*
Robert Dinegar, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
Donald & Joan Janney, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
J. Ronald London, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
Roger A. Morris, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
Ray Rogers, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
Kenneth E. Stevenson, IBM*
Thomas F. D'Muhala, Nuclear Technology Corporation*
Roger & Marty Gilbert, Oriel Corporation*
Thomas Haverty, Rocky Mountain Thermograph*
John P. Jackson, U.S. Air Force Academy*
Eric J. Jumper, U.S. Air Force Academy*
Jean Lorre, Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
Donald J. Lynn, Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
Robert W. Mottern, Sandia Laboratories*
Samuel Pellicori, Santa Barbara Research Center*
Barrie M. Schwortz, Barrie Schwortz Studios*

I had expected that you would have listed their areas of expertise, Jabba, as I'd particularly asked you to do this.
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Agatha,
- You're right. I didn't think it through enough...
- I'll see what I can find out.
 
Jabba said:
Agatha,
- You're right. I didn't think it through enough...
- I'll see what I can find out.
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Decades of study, and you will see what you can find out?

Shouldn't you have done this already?

Didn't you check who these people were and what they claimed before?
 
Jabba said:
Monza,
- The second link addresses the first two requests.
- The first link "touches upon" the third request.
- Seems to me that they provide good places to start.
- I'll be back.
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Jabba,
Show me on the request where the scientist touched it...

Sheesh. Much bloviate. Many evade.
 
Jabba said:
Agatha,
- You're right. I didn't think it through enough...
- I'll see what I can find out.
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Not to put too fine a point on things but what the **** have you been doing when you've been studying the Shroud? You know nothing about the scientists who you claim have studied the thing. You have to get back to everyone about everything. You can't handle even the most basic questions. You did not come here ready to have a serious discussion.
 
MRC_Hans said:
From the first link:


The highlighted part. They do not say that it cannot be answered. Only that they don't currently have an answer.

From the second link:
(Deleted: Those who did not take part in the investigation.)


No medical experts? No forensic experts? No biologists? No chemical specialists? No archaeological experts?
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Jabba made complaint after complaint about the 14C scientists employed by the Vatican having no archaeologists on hand.

Did STURP have any, Jabba?

Let me guess - You'll be back.
 
Jabba said:
Agatha,
- You're right. I didn't think it through enough...
- I'll see what I can find out.
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This is beyond pathetic. Jabba, listen to your family when they urge you to stay off the internet. Plant a garden or something.
 
SezMe said:
Jabba, why are you studiously avoiding Slowvehicle?
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Good question.

Of course, that Slowvehicle uses common sense, logic, facts, evidence, etc, etc, [with almost superhuman politeness!] that Jabba can't possibly address has nothing at all to do with it.

But you knew that already, of course... :)
 
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Jabba said:
- Note that my original, and specific, claim is that most scientists who have studied the shroud admit that they cannot explain it.
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This is as untrue now as it was the last time you asserted it. And as you failed to produce evidence that time I have little expectation that you'll support this claim.
 
And as it had been said a zillion times before:

If the Vatican truly believed in the authenticity of The Fake of Turin, they would make it a publicity stunt.

Independent scientists, lots of accredited laboratories, invite the press, serve canapes.
Then publish the results, showing that The Rag was very close to 1980 years old!
It would be a huge victory for the RCC (Even though the result really only would show that it was ~2000 years old, and say nothing about the rest of the story).
And all the skeptics would look like losers, because "THE CHURCH WAS RIGHT"!
Hordes of gullible fools devout believers would come to see it, and the money would pour into the RCC.
(God loves you, and he always needs more money)


But they don't!
Because the RCC knows full well what the story of the cloth is, and they are fully aware, that more testing would only show, that the miraculously wedge shaped head of jesus never touched it, because the age support the "Medieval fabricated relic"-theory completely.

As it is now, they sit on their hands, cash in the money and have no intentions to change that.
 
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