Miracle of the Shroud IV - The Phantom Image

[John Jones]

Yeah, well, in the Snow White story there are seven dwarves! Here in 'Troit we used to have a row of smokestacks called the Seven Sisters! There's seven Finger Lakes in New York or Connecticut or someplace! How about Seven Fingered Jack in Washington? Just DC is all! And if you want Scripture ('scuse while I genuflect; ah, that feels better) there is seven deadly sins!

That means that there must have been seven labs! Now who's being a anti-intellectural?

Ernest Hemmingway's cat had seven toes on her front paws!

 

[MRC_Hans]

Well, you know, it is not that I'm too sloppy to check on Jabba's sources, it's just that it's not needed to refute his arguments.

Hans

 

[Belz...]

Yeah Jabba's about as efficient a combattant in a debate as his namesake would be in a lightsaber duel.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Jabba simply knows... the rest is just he trying to explain it in what he believes it is your language and he is pretty overlooking about his failure at it as, you know, he acknowledges it is your language but not his. And that's pretty much it. You continue to ask him about evidence when he is way beyond that as he is in the knowledge.

I don't understand all this hype of hunters shouting in the forest "bear, come right out here that I want to kill you! .... come you little coward bear and see what I have for you! .... (singsongily) beary, beary, beary, chuik, chuik, chuik!". If you want to trap Fozzie ... I mean Jabba, you'll have to condescend him.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Jabba simply knows... the rest is just he trying to explain it in what he believes it is your language and he is pretty overlooking about his failure at it as, you know, he acknowledges it is your language but not his. And that's pretty much it. You continue to ask him about evidence when he is way beyond that as he is in the knowledge.

I don't understand all this hype of hunters shouting in the forest "bear, come right out here that I want to kill you! .... come you little coward bear and see what I have for you! .... (singsongily) beary, beary, beary, chuik, chuik, chuik!". If you want to trap Fozzie ... I mean Jabba, you'll have to condescend him.

There is no bear. Just a black knight who can't realize he's been annihilated long ago.

 

[aleCcowaN]

There is no bear. Just a black knight who can't realize he's been annihilated long ago.

Yet, you won't place a finger on him no matter how hard you try. Not the current way.

I thought this site had an educational purpose and a sceptical stance. The problems involving this rug don't include menial Jabba because it is well known that the shroud has been defined by the pope as an icon and he peregrinated to Turin to pray before the shroud the same way he peregrinated to some corner of Cuba to venerate a virgin -and nobody is saying that virgin is the fossilized remains of Miriam of Nazareth-. In fact, the more comfortable Turin tour was divided between the shroud and a visit to the tomb of Don Bosco.

However, and here's the real problem regarding the shroud, the third rate Catholic press published this crap.

The Church refuses to allow new tests because they know it'd be demanded again and again until nothing is left and without ever pleasing those who like to adore Baal and other false icons. The Church doesn't want to tell the likes of Jabba "are you idiots? don't you realize the shroud is an icon the same way the holly cross is? is it your faith so weak that you have to sin in order to defend the notion of that shroud having a non-symbolic connection with our Lord? for whom are you really working? don't you realize that you harm our faith?".

 

[EvilBiker]

Ernest Hemmingway's cat had seven toes on her front paws!

Just when I was going to suggest kittening the thread, you slyly slip this in and steal my entrance.

There will be blood.

Or appropriately C14-dated felines.

Mew. Meh.

 

[HighRiser]

Ernest Hemmingway's cat had seven toes on her front paws!

What happened to the other three?

 

[Aepervius]

Just when I was going to suggest kittening the thread, you slyly slip this in and steal my entrance.

There will be blood.

Or appropriately C14-dated felines.

Mew. Meh.

There has been many suggestion of kittening, only stopped by the potential wrath of moderator. You would think mods are neo-ailuro-phobic.

 

[Lucian]

I don't think that scientists are much more objective than the rest of us -

Yes, scientists are human. However, that's exactly why the scientific method was developed.

- I think that the labs would be slobbering for a slice of this pie, and after finally being selected as one of the three -- from the 7 hopefuls -- would find the offer one they couldn't refuse.

You really have no clue, do you? Even if they were, as you rather distastefully put it, 'slobbering', once they were selected they'd do their utmost to make sure they did the tests as accurately as possible. And, what do you know, the three labs independently came up with dates in the same range.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever to show those dates are wrong? If not, then you need to admit defeat for your faith-based position, or at least concede that it is purely faith-based since all the actual evidence is against it.

Ah, so that's where the "contamination" came from: scientist slobber. You know, many people believe that the saliva produced by scientists is venomous, but that is a myth (with the exception of herpetologists, obviously--you do not want to get bitten by one of them). In fact, scientists secrete an enzyme in their saliva that causes cellular rejuvenation. Cosmetic surgeons and the manufacturers of Botox have been suppressing knowledge of this enzyme (called Sindolase) for years. True fact.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Ah, so that's where the "contamination" came from: scientist slobber. You know, many people believe that the saliva produced by scientists is venomous, but that is a myth (with the exception of herpetologists, obviously--you do not want to get bitten by one of them). In fact, scientists secrete an enzyme in their saliva that causes cellular rejuvenation. Cosmetic surgeons and the manufacturers of Botox have been suppressing knowledge of this enzyme (called Sindolase) for years. True fact.

The saliva of high school Physical Science teachers, OTH, is merely vitriolic...

 

[John Jones]

What happened to the other three?

I'm busted. I meant to say that Ernest Hemingway's cat had 7 toes on each of her front paws.

I have thus humbly attempted to correct my diction and misspelling of Hemingway's name. I learned to make such corrections while learning the discipline of science.

 

[Craig4]

Hans,
- This might be a place where I (at least) have to agree to disagree. While what you say sounds reasonable, I think you're attributing far too much 'reason' to those involved. I don't think that scientists are much more objective than the rest of us -- and, the rest of us (most of us, anyway) suck at it. Look at all the antagonism and back-biting amongst the contestants...
- I think that the labs would be slobbering for a slice of this pie, and after finally being selected as one of the three -- from the 7 hopefuls -- would find the offer one they couldn't refuse.

Yes, and the labs have every motivation to produce accurate results, knowing that both other labs and the crank lobby are going to be all over their results.

Given that, it's hard not to notice that other AMS professionals are not complaining about the results.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Yes, and the labs have every motivation to produce accurate results, knowing that both other labs and the crank lobby are going to be all over their results.
Given that, it's hard not to notice that other AMS professionals are not complaining about the results.

Wait. What?

Are you saying that professionals, with ¹⁴C experience, who understand ¹⁴C dating, are not complaining about the ¹⁴C dating of the CIQ?

Thought-provoking...

 

[SezMe]

Yet, you won't place a finger on him no matter how hard you try. Not the current way.

It's mind bending. Posters are still asking for evidence. My queries to the Tooth Fairy have a better chance of getting answered.

 

[slyjoe]

Wait. What?

Are you saying that professionals, with ¹⁴C experience, who understand ¹⁴C dating, are not complaining about the ¹⁴C dating of the CIQ?

Thought-provoking...

Probably not to those who could use it most.

 

[John Jones]

Wait. What?

Are you saying that professionals, with ¹⁴C experience, who understand ¹⁴C dating, are not complaining about the ¹⁴C dating of the CIQ?

Thought-provoking...

What could it mean?

 

[Slowvehicle]

It's mind bending. Posters are still asking for evidence. My queries to the Tooth Fairy have a better chance of getting answered.

But have you considered that your "queries" to the "tooth fairy" have effects that extend beyond your own egocentric needs?

 

[Slowvehicle]

Probably not to those who could use it most.

What could it mean?

Inorite?

 

[aleCcowaN]

But have you considered that your "queries" to the "tooth fairy" have effects that extend beyond your own egocentric needs?

Is that the theory of lurkers reading the threads and learning from them? Because I've been told that bullwaste born in the misinterpretation of the statistics regarding number of posts and visits.