Miracle of the Shroud IV - The Phantom Image

[John Jones]

I can answer that one.


Actually, that is exactly what he is successfully done.

There are two solutions. My first suggestion was sent to AAH. The other one is for ISF posters to stop interacting with Jabba. This farce will continue until one of those two options is acted upon.

You're right. This is a farce that I have helped enable. I'm looking for a 12-step program.

 

[Nonpareil]

The other one is for ISF posters to stop interacting with Jabba.

The majority of us have already begun.

There is no point in interacting with him unless he presents direct evidence that the Shroud is two thousand years old. Everything else is pointless irrelevancies that only serve to drag things out.

 

[Craig4]

It's a good point. Jabba just isn't ready to have a serious conversation about the Shroud. His work just isn't good enough to look at yet. Maybe he'll get better in the future but right now, he's just not ready to rationally discuss the Shroud.

 

[Aepervius]

You're right. This is a farce that I have helped enable. I'm looking for a 12-step program.

Don't cut corner on that 12 steps, I took the one step program, and it turned out it was only a postcard written "you'll be back".

 

[PizzaTheHutt]

Jabba:

Regarding the Dawkins quote, could you please post the entire sentence that Dawkins speaks? You've quoted him as saying:

"The dating of the shroud remains controversial,"

But there is a comma at the end of this quote instead of a period. This would indicate that there is a second part to his sentence. I'm curious to know what he says in that second part and I was hoping that you could then add this second part to your website because explaining Dawkins' thoughts regarding the controversy of the Shroud would only strengthen your argument and tilt the scales even more in favor of authenticity.

Jabba, I hope this helps you to put some of the non-believers here in their place.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Jabba:

Regarding the Dawkins quote, could you please post the entire sentence that Dawkins speaks? You've quoted him as saying:

"The dating of the shroud remains controversial,"

But there is a comma at the end of this quote instead of a period. This would indicate that there is a second part to his sentence. I'm curious to know what he says in that second part and I was hoping that you could then add this second part to your website because explaining Dawkins' thoughts regarding the controversy of the Shroud would only strengthen your argument and tilt the scales even more in favor of authenticity.

Jabba, I hope this helps you to put some of the non-believers here in their place.

It's just another instance of Jabba's outofcontextology. He edited his way from here.

He says "[the method] is not accurate to the nearest year, only to the nearest century or so". Clearly the shroud is a fake as shroud and interesting from the point of view of history of the Middle Ages.

 

[SezMe]

Jabba, I hope this helps you to put some of the non-believers here in their place.

PizzaTheHutt, don't feed the .... ..... well, I don't know what word to use. Just leave Jabba to his delusions. Don't poke him. He's like Br'ar Rabbit. He won't let go.

 

[Alderbank]

Jabba:

Regarding the Dawkins quote, could you please post the entire sentence that Dawkins speaks? You've quoted him as saying:

"The dating of the shroud remains controversial,"

But there is a comma at the end of this quote instead of a period. This would indicate that there is a second part to his sentence. I'm curious to know what he says in that second part and I was hoping that you could then add this second part to your website because explaining Dawkins' thoughts regarding the controversy of the Shroud would only strengthen your argument and tilt the scales even more in favor of authenticity.

Jabba, I hope this helps you to put some of the non-believers here in their place.

The full sentence, on page 106 of 'The Greatest Show on Earth', is "The dating of the shroud remains controversial, but not for reasons that cast doubt on the carbon-dating technique itself."

Shameless quote mining

 

[sackett]

I know what to do! Let's all put Jabba on Ignore!

You go first.

 

[Mojo]

The full sentence, on page 106 of 'The Greatest Show on Earth', is "The dating of the shroud remains controversial, but not for reasons that cast doubt on the carbon-dating technique itself."

Shameless quote mining

To be fair to Jabba, the quotation continues with a comment about the possibility that the shroud had been contaminated by a fire, which is something that could make the carbon dating of the shroud inaccurate without actually casting doubt on the technique itself. However, I'm also absolutely certain that this issue has been dealt with in the predecessors of this thread, and it has been established that such contamination could not push the date back remotely far enough to support authenticity.

ETA: Jabba's problem here is not so much quote-mining as ignoring, once again, what has already been posted by others. In other words, another fringe reset.

 

[Mojo]

- OK. I'll start with the first one.
- I'll be back.

...and he was, about 16 hours later. He didn't make much of a start though. Or indeed any start.

 

[John Jones]

...and he was, about 16 hours later. He didn't make much of a start though. Or indeed any start.

He's peeking in now. Be vewy vewy quiet.

 

[sackett]

Mods, just ignore this post

...Be vewy vewy quiet.

Why? You know perfectly well he's deaf, blind, and

I was going to say dumb, but that would violate the MA.

 

[Giordano]

I know what to do! Let's all put Jabba on Ignore!

You go first.

One can even avoid responding to him without placing him on ignore. I think I am at step 7 in my own 12 step program.

 

[aleCcowaN]

...and he was, about 16 hours later. He didn't make much of a start though. Or indeed any start.

He's peeking in now. Be vewy vewy quiet.

Jabba must think he's a celebrity here, with everybody waiting for some à la Bieber moment.

 

[Giordano]

Jabba must think he's a celebrity here, with everybody waiting for some à la Bieber moment.

Indeed. Hanging on his actions. Awaiting his posts. Could go to one's head.

 

[SezMe]

I think I am at step 7 in my own 12 step program.

*High Fives* You can do it, man. Keep it up. Go, man, go.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Indeed. Hanging on his actions. Awaiting his posters. Could go to one's head.

What if Jabba thinks his fantasies regarding imaginary friends are real not because he has any evidence, not even conviction, but because we carefully debate his words? He may think he is onto something just because we insist in showing him wrong.

If he has some wacky absurd anything but dangeorus theories, why not leaving him to die of solitude?

My theory is we don't because that implies making some sense of this website. For instance, the shroud is clearly a medieval fake and there's an advocacy trying to deceive the gullible into believing otherwise and the techniques they use for that deception are the real matter of interest, so this thread could be devoted to list those crapitudes and show how the deception is performed. Jabba has already decided not to say anything of the sort because he already knows such thing breaks the illusion in the gulliblesphere, so he argues in the fringes with shallow generalities and categorical fake assertions like "preponderance of evidence" that are more difficult to pin down than a fart.

I'm not saying that's too low for Jabba, as we look him always going down to maintain the illusion he has a voice in this debate. I'm saying all the Jabba-related debate is too low for us.

 

[Belz...]

Agatha,
- Accrding to Barrie Schwortz, these are their areas of expertise.

Joseph S. Accetta, Lockheed Corporation* Infrared and thermal imaging
Steven Baumgart, U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories* Infrared and thermal imaging
John D. German, U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories*
Ernest H. Brooks II, Brooks Institute of Photography* Photography
Mark Evans, Brooks Institute of Photography* Photomicroscopy
Vernon D. Miller, Brooks Institute of Photography* Scientific photography
Robert Bucklin, Harris County,Texas, Medical Examiner's Office Forensic pathology
Donald Devan, Oceanographic Services Inc.* Imaging science
Rudolph J. Dichtl, University of Colorado* Electronic equipment repairs/maintenance
Robert Dinegar, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories* Physicist
Donald & Joan Janney, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories* Physics and Chemistry
J. Ronald London, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories* X-radiography
Roger A. Morris, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories* X-radiography
Ray Rogers, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories* Chemistry
Larry Schwalbe, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories Physicist
Diane Soran, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories
Kenneth E. Stevenson, IBM* Public relations
Al Adler, Western Connecticut State University Blood chemistry
Thomas F. D'Muhala, Nuclear Technology Corporation* Administration
Jim Drusik, Los Angeles County Museum Art historian
Joseph Gambescia, St. Agnes Medical Center Medicine
Roger & Marty Gilbert, Oriel Corporation* Spectral data and instrumentation
Thomas Haverty, Rocky Mountain Thermograph* Infrared and thermal imaging
John Heller, New England Institute Medicine and blood chemistry
John P. Jackson, U.S. Air Force Academy* Physicist
Eric J. Jumper, U.S. Air Force Academy* Physicist
Jean Lorre, Jet Propulsion Laboratory* Imaging science
Donald J. Lynn, Jet Propulsion Laboratory* Imaging science (head of imaging for NASA on Voyager, Viking, Mariner and Galileo projects)
Robert W. Mottern, Sandia Laboratories* X-radiography
Samuel Pellicori, Santa Barbara Research Center* Optical science and engineering
Barrie M. Schwortz, Barrie Schwortz Studios* Photography

None of that is evidence for the authenticity of the Shroud, Jabba.

Give it up.

 

[Giordano]

What if Jabba thinks his fantasies regarding imaginary friends are real not because he has any evidence, not even conviction, but because we carefully debate his words? He may think he is onto something just because we insist in showing him wrong.

If he has some wacky absurd anything but dangeorus theories, why not leaving him to die of solitude?

My theory is we don't because that implies making some sense of this website. For instance, the shroud is clearly a medieval fake and there's an advocacy trying to deceive the gullible into believing otherwise and the techniques they use for that deception are the real matter of interest, so this thread could be devoted to list those crapitudes and show how the deception is performed. Jabba has already decided not to say anything of the sort because he already knows such thing breaks the illusion in the gulliblesphere, so he argues in the fringes with shallow generalities and categorical fake assertions like "preponderance of evidence" that are more difficult to pin down than a fart.

I'm not saying that's too low for Jabba, as we look him always going down to maintain the illusion he has a voice in this debate. I'm saying all the Jabba-related debate is too low for us.

So far, I have almost never seen a thread abandoned by others because the OP was obviously and demonstrably wrong, endlessly repetitive, clinically ill, clearly a 15-year old playing games with the other posters, enjoyed the sense of power that they had by being able to invoke a following of other posters (even a highly critical one), or a person obviously seeking a reaction from others by saying outlandish things that they themselves do not believe (and I rush to explain that I am not accusing Jabba of any of these things- this list is purposely meant to be generic and includes things that do not describe Jabba at all).

However, I think that I am slipping in my 12 step program and must sign off.