Milk CAUSES osteoporosis??

[Wildy]

AS I understand everything down in the particle world has either + or - charge. Ok not everything. Neutrons don't have a charge.

There are more particles then neutrons that have no charge. Atoms for example have no charge.

WE need minerals that have a - charge to stick to our + electrons.

Riiiight... *backs away slowly*

No doubt some one who has had schooling will say "not quite right" Perhaps they can explain it clearer.

I guess if someone could actually understand what the hell it was you were trying to say. Maybe you should try 'Strine. There are plenty of us on here who speak that.

Plants change minerals from + to - so as I said earlier, feed the plants minerals that we need then we can use them. Plants eg. lettuce can look good but be lacking in the things we need because the minerals are not present or are tied up by super phospate.

I have no clue what the hell it is that you are trying to say here. I was under the impression that minerals were electrically neutral?

Why do plants change minerals from + to -? And why do we need only - minerals?

Hope some of you don't speak to your partners like you do here, divorce would be on the cards.

So? You can attack people who disagree with you as much as you like. It still doesn't mean that their criticism goes away.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Don't you think they would know

Don't we think that they know what? Did they perform some huge double blinded experiment with control groups to prove their story?? Just how many calves died then? Did all the calves get the same exact amount of milk at the same times, and the half that died were provably only fed pasteurized milk and the other half non-pasteurized milk? Where is this grand study published then? We should all get to marvel and examine this great study that PROVES pasteurized milk is soooo nutrient deficient for SOME reason (a reason that should be quite explained in the study discussion) that it won't support calves anymore, even though the nutrient loss was so negligible? What else could have changed about the milk that would kill the calves? It is now able to cause them sudden brain cancer because it was heated but not boiled???

We snarl because you spout a bunch of, well, crazy stuff that is just plain wrong on so many levels, but haven't demonstrated any willingness to learn how something actually works.

You've only taught us that you have no clue about human anatomy, so why should we just believe anything else you say/write?

You've come to the wrong forum for that, baby. Convincing others of your idea/hypothesis/information involves using the tools and methods of science to PROVE a point or process. Evidence speaks, not anecdotes.

You can say that the cows jump over the moon, but we don't have bow down to your strange view of the world just because you think you're keen on cows jumping over the moon. Show us how the cow jumped that high, and only then will we take you any way seriously. If you can't show us anything but then turn around and tell us that you think the moon is also made out of green cheese (like that is some sort of life changing epiphany we should just all eat up), well, then what exactly do you expect from us??

 

[Old Bob]

This is like 'Ground Hog Day" Very few calves are fed pasteurized but it was found out years ago that if they were it killed them because of heating destroying vitamins, as for studies, this is Australia, we don't do that down on the farm. What a different world we live in. As for not belonging on this forum,mybe your right but then what interesting info. have you told us. These forums should be interesting and a little fun, something has gone wrong.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Pasteurization safely decreases pathogens in all types of milk fed to young calves. Recently, University of California at Davis researchers (Jamaluddin et al., 1996) reported that calves fed pasteurized milk had fewer days with diarrhea and pneumonia than calves fed nonpasteurized milk. Also, calves fed pasteurized milk had greater average weight gain than calves fed nonpasteurized milk. Calves fed pasteurized milk grossed an extra $8.13 per head, attributed to reduced health complications and treatment costs, when compared with calves fed nonpasteurized milk.

http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_d/d-208.html

 

[lionking]

In case members have not already worked this out, please do not treat any of Old Bob's posts as being anywhere near accurate (or articulate for that matter). For the record, Australia spends hundreds of millions of dollars on veterinary science, as we should being a major producer of livestock. We do excellent science in this area, and I absolutely resent the comment that we live in a "different world". I really think you should find another forum Old Bob. You are yet to post anything of interest, use or veracity.

 

[Wildy]

This is like 'Ground Hog Day" Very few calves are fed pasteurized but it was found out years ago that if they were it killed them because of heating destroying vitamins, as for studies, this is Australia, we don't do that down on the farm. What a different world we live in. As for not belonging on this forum,mybe your right but then what interesting info. have you told us. These forums should be interesting and a little fun, something has gone wrong.

Good point. Australia doesn't need science. That's why we don't have any science type guys on our money, unless you exclude David Unaipon.

Or have any Nobel laureates, unless you exclude; Barry Marshall, J. Robin Warren, Peter Doherty, John Warcup Cornforth, Patrick White, John Carew Eccles, Sir Frank Macfarlane Burnet, Sir Howard Florey, William Henry Bragg and William Lawrence Bragg.

Nor have we invented anything as this page here shows.

Yep. Us Australians don't need no stinking science.

 

[lionking]

Wildy, I'm just so glad that you have pointed out to the world that Australia is responsible for the Esky and box wine. I mean otherwise people would have thought we have made no contribution to civilisation.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

This might just be the most entertaining thing I've read all week.....In my defence, most of what I've been reading was about Khrushchev, so it's not the most lighthearted topic.

Incidentally, I don't think you have to worry about the rest of the world thinking Aus is behind in terms of vetinary treatment lionking, since most of the time if you ask people about Australia one of the first things they will mention is sheep.

Now, here's hoping OldBob will come back...

 

[lionking]

This might just be the most entertaining thing I've read all week.....In my defence, most of what I've been reading was about Khrushchev, so it's not the most lighthearted topic.

Incidentally, I don't think you have to worry about the rest of the world thinking Aus is behind in terms of vetinary treatment lionking, since most of the time if you ask people about Australia one of the first things they will mention is sheep.

Now, here's hoping OldBob will come back...

Why must you northern hemisphereans continue to mistake us for New Zealanders.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Why must you northern hemisphereans continue to mistake us for New Zealanders.

I thought Aus had a lot of sheep as well?

I mean christ, not as many as NZ per person, but I was led to believe by my somewhat hazy recollection of A-Level Geography about economics and rural v city dwelling that Aus was one of the places that was farming intensive for an MEDC, with a large portion of that being sheep....

Ah well. My memory isn't the best. I tend to treat it like a rough guide to events at best.

 

[lionking]

Oh yes we have plenty of sheep, but we don't really give them same level of...ahem.....affection as do our trans-Tasman cousins.

 

[Old Bob]

http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_d/d-208.html

Wow, I send that on to my cousin, seems that we got that wrong. More fuel for lionking. Perhaps the calves died from contamination ruther than pasteurize, anyway I was wrong.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Wow, I send that on to my cousin, seems that we got that wrong. More fuel for lionking. Perhaps the calves died from contamination ruther than pasteurize, anyway I was wrong.

ARGH!! Time and space distoring...real.....ty...we..ning.....mus..t....ge....shuttl..bef..t....late!

(Time and space distorting, reality weakening. Must get to shuttle before it's too late)

ETA: ignore the "wise"crack I made there. Good on you for recognising where you were mistaken.

If only some other people around here could do that.

 

[lionking]

On the contrary. I am pleased you have acknowledged something you thought was true is in fact not. I hope you question some of the other things you have posted that members (and far more than just me) have said are simply incorrect.

I am pretty "old" too Bob, at least to my kids, but have changed my position on quite a number of things simply because of this forum.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Awww, just in time to spare my claws...

*retracts claws*

I've learned to ask questions and learn from others here. Others have learned that I hate misinformation, especially when it is posted as fact over and over again when it's not anywhere near factual.

Wow, I send that on to my cousin, seems that we got that wrong.

You've gained a lot more respect already by just that one post. Now discussion can ensue. It's always more fun when people don't just assert they are right no matter what the actual evidence shows.

Welcome to the forum padawan!

 

[pgwenthold]

Here we go again, "no understanding, layman,you don't have a clue." Ego seems to grow in those who have letters after there name."How can I be wrong someone told me at Uni."

Um, you certainly don't need to have letters after your name to know the basics of atomic structure. I mean, it's material that eighth graders (in the US) can handle.

Then again, I don't have to rely on what someone told me. The problem with the internet is that no one knows you are a dog. Or a scientist who has spent their life studying the properties of ions. So I have an idea of what ions are like, not because someone told me because I have studied their properties myself.

That lecturer was molded by the system and his pay check reflects how well he steers the students to fit the future money trains. (school, work struggle save get sick and old, hand wealth back to medical system then die) We(most) have been led down the garden path, with twisted half truths. Can you beat cancer? I have. Another thing about milk is homogenised. Want your arteries blocked? The fat particles are broken up so small that they slip into our blood streams before our stomach juices has time to process and break down the fat. And if young calves are fed on parsterized milk they die because the heated milk loses all its vitamins.

I'm glas that you now recognize how wrong you are on this.

Good stuff that white water you buy in plastic, leaching pcb and false estrogen. Is that taught at Uni.?

Dude, not only is that _taught_ at the university (ok, not the "false estrogen" thing, whatever that is) but things that leach into water from plastic (what plastics are using pcbs? Weren't they mostly used as flame retardants (I know that's what PBBs are for); PCBs have been banned for a long time), the dangers of things like PCBs are DISCOVERED at universities!

It wasn't calf farmers who figured it out. It was honest to god scientists.

The same scientists who you are wont to dismiss.

 

[Old Bob]

Back again, bad day. My old mum fell over, broken hip, 93 and no pills or trouble till today. Anyway back to milk related plastic. The milk containers use here is mainly cheap plastic with a 2 rating. They leach what I would call false estrogen and doesn't that pete plastic realise pcb's? My old mother must be suffering from bone degeneration which I would blame the super phospate tying up minerals and her ability to absorb calcium. These problems take a long time,but worn out soils don't help. One of the reasons we eat wild deer as they graze in the virgin bush.

 

[lionking]

Bob, did you not read what Eon and I posted? We congratulated you because you looked at a claim you made, realised it was wrong and in the spirit of skepticism, admitted it and learnt a lesson.

Do you not also realise that posting claims without any substantiation at all, like plastic milk containers leeching "false estrogen" undoes all of that? I am trying to be polite, but if you keep this up, perhaps this forum is not for you.

 

[Old Bob]

Lionking you pat me on the back then claim I'm wrong again, isn't it correct that plastic containers have a number rating on how stable the plastic is, from 1 to 10.I have been told that food grade plastic drink containers below 5 leech and break down. As we all know the plastic doesn't go away and Greenpeace makes a lot of noise about the hormone problems. Why do you think bottled water has a use by date?,water gets to old.? No the cheap no. 2 container leeches. Health people like Helga Clarke worry about plastic wraps breaking down in micro-waves. She may have some standing that you would believe. Isn't this about milk and health problems. You have set your self up as judge and jury whether I'm right or wrong. My x son in law who works for a drilling com. in Brisbane some years ago had bio suits to work in because they were drilling on a old dump site and the poison levels were high with PCBs supposedly from plastic. If the list thinks this is bull just tell me and I will go. A vote of 3 or more will do. And lionking only gets one vote.

 

[Hokulele]

Lionking you pat me on the back then claim I'm wrong again, isn't it correct that plastic containers have a number rating on how stable the plastic is, from 1 to 10.I have been told that food grade plastic drink containers below 5 leech and break down. As we all know the plastic doesn't go away and Greenpeace makes a lot of noise about the hormone problems. Why do you think bottled water has a use by date?,water gets to old.? No the cheap no. 2 container leeches. Health people like Helga Clarke worry about plastic wraps breaking down in micro-waves. She may have some standing that you would believe. Isn't this about milk and health problems. You have set your self up as judge and jury whether I'm right or wrong. My x son in law who works for a drilling com. in Brisbane some years ago had bio suits to work in because they were drilling on a old dump site and the poison levels were high with PCBs supposedly from plastic. If the list thinks this is bull just tell me and I will go. A vote of 3 or more will do. And lionking only gets one vote.

What the heck?

No, just no. No. Seriously, no.

http://www.ides.com/resources/plastic-recycling-codes.asp