Milk CAUSES osteoporosis??

[lionking]

Look nobody wants you to go, just to post stuff with some evidence. Do you know how to post links? Something from Helga Clarke or Greenpeace about this issue so that a debate can proceed? Otherwise all we have is "this is right because (for whatever reason) I say so". And remember, the onus is on the person making the claim to try to prove it.

 

[Wildy]

If the list thinks this is bull just tell me and I will go. A vote of 3 or more will do. And lionking only gets one vote.

To be honest I don't care what you do. The only thing I would like to see you do more of is provide sources. You do claim quite a bit of stuff but when asked for sources go on about how you can't find them on a computer.

Doesn't do well for your point mate.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

To be honest I don't care what you do. The only thing I would like to see you do more of is provide sources. You do claim quite a bit of stuff but when asked for sources go on about how you can't find them on a computer.

Doesn't do well for your point mate.

Thirded.

I am especially curious about positive electrons....

 

[Old Bob]

No I haven't learnt to post links, but most of you people are good at finding stuff like Hokulele and the plastic number system. No mention on how the stuff breaks down and into what. The trouble with stuff one finds in books and other sources is that I don't keep it, just commit it to memory. Hence the odd mix up but the general trend has some truth. So from now on will make a note of sources to add to what I yap about. One bit on superphospate can be found on Percy Weston cancer cure (Google) will check now to make sure its still up. Yes lots their, I knew Percy Weston, he often called to see my father and he was a tough old guy,never wore boots, could walk on broken glass.

 

[lionking]

The FAQ section explains how to post links. Just trying to help.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

No I haven't learnt to post links, but most of you people are good at finding stuff like Hokulele and the plastic number system. No mention on how the stuff breaks down and into what. The trouble with stuff one finds in books and other sources is that I don't keep it, just commit it to memory. Hence the odd mix up but the general trend has some truth. So from now on will make a note of sources to add to what I yap about. One bit on superphospate can be found on Percy Weston cancer cure (Google) will check now to make sure its still up. Yes lots their, I knew Percy Weston, he often called to see my father and he was a tough old guy,never wore boots, could walk on broken glass.

You do know that not everything you find on the internet is true?

 

[ZirconBlue]

I, too, want to express my respect to Old Bob for actually admitting to an error and accepting correction. Too many people, on this forum and elsewhere, skeptic or not, seem unwilling to admit to errors. Kudos for that, Old Bob.

I'd also like to add a comment on the plastic labeling numbers. Hokulele's link doesn't discuss "safety" or "quality" of plastics, because that's not what the number codes are for. They are there simply to identify the base resins used, to help with sorting and recycling materials. If I remember correctly, it's the number 1 (PET) plastics that are under fire recently for leaching undesirable compounds into their contents, but this has to do with their chemical composition, not whether the number is higher or lower.

 

[ZirconBlue]

You do know that not everything you find on the internet is true?

Well, you posted this on the internet, so I guess I have to believe you.



Wait.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

I just wonder why Bob stumbled across us here at a skeptical site? This may be in the welcome forum or something. It seems he is used to the plain old usual misinformed discussions found easily elsewhere with folks that would just erupt into rants about how plastics and milk kill and maim all life forms on the planet, the unfounded freaky scary stories rushing into a thread where hysterics run amock with no such thing as a request for some substantiated information?

If you've come here to just discuss crazy stuff, then you've come to the wrong place. If you've come here to learn and become used to an informed discussion, then you're in the right place. Get used to being asked about why you post the information that you do. Don't get into a flap if you seem to be getting attacked, just know there are very educated folks here that can tell you why you are being questioned.

This is a place for cold hard logic too, not warm fuzzy polite conversation alone. Most of us here love to banter, and bat the ball back and forth. If you do not yet, then you can learn or not. Really, this is up to you to decide to get used to. Otherwise, there are many forums out there with many other people who aren't used to this kind of discourse, and just sit around putting down things (like plastic) without really having to think about it.

We wouldregret your decision not to stay, but also don't want you to feel picked on. I hope this helps to explain the atmosphere here.

 

[Old Bob]

Eos, i enjoy a little banter too. Have just contacted a long lost cousin who grows organic tomatoes etc. near Melbourne, he has the same opinion on superphospate being the problem on health and causing bone deterioration in the food chain. So my wild theories are not alone. As for finding this thread, do you think I'm gate crashing on the "educated folks here"(Quoting Eos) well we all know different things. Has any body studied Percy Weston info yet.? Would love to hear feed back, also about the use by date on bottled water.

 

[paximperium]

Eos, i enjoy a little banter too. Have just contacted a long lost cousin who grows organic tomatoes etc. near Melbourne, he has the same opinion on superphospate being the problem on health and causing bone deterioration in the food chain.

So? What is the relevance of his tomato growing and his expertise to comment on superphosphate?

So my wild theories are not alone.

Look up the Logical Fallacy, Argumentum ad Populum.

As for finding this thread, do you think I'm gate crashing on the "educated folks here"(Quoting Eos) well we all know different things.

True...and many people believe in false things.

Has any body studied Percy Weston info yet.? Would love to hear feed back,

Don't know who this person is. Google only returns the name "Percy West" as a minor character in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Do you have a link?

also about the use by date on bottled water.

What about it? How does this relate to the use dates on tin cans or carton boxes?

 

[Old Bob]

Pax. As you well know the water doesn't age so why the use by date seeing it's in a nice no.2 healthy plastic bottle, also you must have a different Google or you left off Percy Weston and typed Percy West. The tomato organically grown can't have superphospate and the fact that my cousin found out how bad it ties up the minerals with out my help. And you are right "many people believe in false things" The Percy Weston site has lots of articles so sorry can't forward a link.

 

[Wildy]

As you well know the water doesn't age so why the use by date seeing it's in a nice no.2 healthy plastic bottle[.]

Perhaps they are required by law to have a use by date of some sort on their bottles of bottled water.

And what the hell is a "no. 2 healthy plastic bottle"?

also you must have a different Google or you left off Percy Weston and typed Percy West.

Well if the person is Australian then it would depend on which country's Google you are using.

The tomato organically grown can't have superphospate and the fact that my cousin found out how bad it ties up the minerals with out my help.

Why can't the organically grown tomato have superphosphate? And how does it tie up minerals?

The Percy Weston site has lots of articles so sorry can't forward a link.

Why not? You know the site, you could just post a link to it here.

 

[Mongrel]

Pax. As you well know the water doesn't age so why the use by date seeing it's in a nice no.2 healthy plastic bottle

Water can get 'old' and get a flat taste when kept in a sealed container (plastic, glass or pottery).

Lot's of other stuff that stores better than water also have use by dates - rice, flour, pickles are the easy ones. Flour comes in paper bags and if kept in a cool dry place will be good for years to come, coffee in jars or cans will keep for ages if left sealed although breaking the seal will allow moisture in. Honey in jars may crystallise over time but a quick warm through in a saucepan of hot water soon sorts that out.

All of these items will have a use by date as well, it's required by law.

 

[tesscaline]

You mean this Percy Weston? http://www.phosadd.com/support evidence/weston.htm
The woo-ist who thinks you can "cure cancer" by feeding people a "low phosphate diet"? Who "invented" http://www.alternativehealth.com.au/Product/percy.htm (Percy's Powder) which is nothing more than your ordinary run of the mill multi vitamin that he claims will "correct the acid-base imbalance" of the foods you eat?

Yeah um. If the only support for what you're saying comes from this scam artist, no one here will take you seriously. Try finding an actual scientific study or two to back up your claims.

 

[Old Bob]

You mean this Percy Weston? http://www.phosadd.com/support evidence/weston.htm
The woo-ist who thinks you can "cure cancer" by feeding people a "low phosphate diet"? Who "invented" http://www.alternativehealth.com.au/Product/percy.htm (Percy's Powder) which is nothing more than your ordinary run of the mill multi vitamin that he claims will "correct the acid-base imbalance" of the foods you eat?

Yeah um. If the only support for what you're saying comes from this scam artist, no one here will take you seriously. Try finding an actual scientific study or two to back up your claims.

Percy Weston has long gone and you degrade a fine old man who fixed many people, just keep doing what your doing and you will get more of the same. He gave his product away and I have witnessed him in his 90-s driving a long distant to give a cancer victim friend help. But she like you stayed with the chemo and died. I will leave this thread now because I'm just spinning my wheels. Cheers

 

[not daSkeptic]

Percy Weston has long gone and you degrade a fine old man who fixed many people, just keep doing what your doing and you will get more of the same. He gave his product away and I have witnessed him in his 90-s driving a long distant to give a cancer victim friend help. But she like you stayed with the chemo and died. I will leave this thread now because I'm just spinning my wheels. Cheers

SkeptiChick didn't degrade anyone. Mr. Weston degraded himself by spouting unverifiable woo. If you disagree and think he did legitimate work, please cite a reputable source.

 

[tesscaline]

Percy Weston has long gone and you degrade a fine old man

I'm not the one who bilked people out of money by claiming that a multivitamin would cure cancer.

who fixed many people

Fixed? How exactly does one "fix" a person? Unless you mean "fixed" like when people refer to neutering their pets...

just keep doing what your doing

What am I doing?

and you will get more of the same.

Same what?

He gave his product away

No, his product was sold (and is still for almost $40 a bottle)

for and I have witnessed him in his 90-s driving a long distant to give a cancer victim friend help.

This does not show any scientific support for his claims.

But she like you stayed with the chemo and died.

So... I have cancer, underwent chemo, and died? I'm dead?

I will leave this thread now because I'm just spinning my wheels. Cheers

Yes, you are spinning your wheels because you refuse to cite any credible evidence (you know what evidence is, right?) of your claims.