Mike Pence Aiming at 2024?

[Stacyhs]

You have to give Pence credit for his actions on January 6th. He stood up for the country that day. My problem with him is that he didn’t tear into Trump. He seems to think he can straddle the fence. Play it both ways. He still has delusions of winning the GOP nomination. It ain't ever going to happen. Not in 2024, not 2028, never. His halfway principles sinks him.

One of two things is going to happen. Either Trump wins the election and we're all screwed. Or Trump sinks the GOP in 2024 and MAGA becomes a dirty word.

I say 2024 only because it will revive in some fashion.

I agree that Pence was a dismal failure as VP as he enabled Trump to create Jan. 6. He failed after Jan. 6 to condemn Trump and was mealy-mouthed. BUT, despite what some here think, he DID do what so many GOP would not have done when push came to shove. I don't care that he tried to find a legal rational for not certifying the election. What I care about is that he DIDN'T find one and he accepted that.

Resorting to comparison fallacies like Hitler's dog and Charles Manson are just plain silly. Minimizing what he did because he may not have thought his life was really in any danger is just an attempt to downplay the courage it took to defy Trump and a violent mob. Some people need to thinking in strict terms of Black and White. It leads to extremism: "A key finding of the psychologists was that people with extremist attitudes tended to think about the world in a black and white way." I know I've seen it in ISF quite often from both ends of the political spectrum.

 

[Trebuchet]

You have to give Pence credit for his actions on January 6th. He stood up for the country that day. My problem with him is that he didn’t tear into Trump. He seems to think he can straddle the fence. Play it both ways. He still has delusions of winning the GOP nomination. It ain't ever going to happen. Not in 2024, not 2028, never. His halfway principles sinks him.

One of two things is going to happen. Either Trump wins the election and we're all screwed. Or Trump sinks the GOP in 2024 and MAGA becomes a dirty word.

I say 2024 only because it will revive in some fashion.

Don't forget Pence had to seek advice from Dan Effing Quayle first. When the highest source of advice you can find can't spell "potato", you're pretty damn desperate.

Ok, low blow on Quayle there. I do know the teacher gave him the card.

 

[dirtywick]

yeah, while he consistently couldn't do the right thing, in the end he barely didn't do the wrong thing is something you could give him credit for. an appropriate amount of credit, throwing around words like courage seems almost cynical imo

 

[Stacyhs]

yeah, while he consistently couldn't do the right thing, in the end he barely didn't do the wrong thing is something you could give him credit for. an appropriate amount of credit, throwing around words like courage seems almost cynical imo

In this particular instance, it took courage. A courage most of his fellow GOP colleagues couldn't muster. You think it didn't take courage for the VP to go against Trump, the man who put him in that position? The man who attacks and destroys any Republican who dares cross him? Trump was pressuring Pence and Trump is not known for being subtle. Pence knew before Jan 6 that he could be in danger:

On Jan. 5, Marc Short called the lead Secret Service agent Tim Giebels, warning him of the potential threat to the vice president without being specific about the nature of the threat he anticipated. This was the first time that Short had ever notified the Secret Service of a potential threat, and it was the result of an assessment by Short that then-President Trump would publicly turn against Pence. The New York Times first reported Short's warning to the Secret Service.

Pence is still receiving death threats for his action on Jan. 6. So yeah, it took courage and as much as I dislike Pence and would never vote for him, at least I don't have to minimize what he did just because he's a Republican.

 

[dirtywick]

to be clear, it's not because he's a republican, it's because he's a bad person that spent 4 years enabling and furthering the circumstance that led to it. could have used some of that courage a while ago.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

I think the Trump Juggernaut has sealed up the Republican nomination. An eleventh hour dark hors candidate is much more likely on the Democrat side. Like Gavin Newsom.

 

[Stacyhs]

Stacyhs wrote
Pence is still receiving death threats for his action on Jan. 6. So yeah, it took courage and as much as I dislike Pence and would never vote for him, at least I don't have to minimize what he did just because he's a Republican.

to be clear, it's not because he's a republican, it's because he's a bad person that spent 4 years enabling and furthering the circumstance that led to it. could have used some of that courage a while ago.

He's a 'bad person' because he was a Republican Trump VP and admitting he did anything decent makes him somehow less of a 'bad person' in B & W thinking. A person can be a coward all their life but that doesn't mean when they actually do something that took courage, that action wasn't courageous.

 

[Stacyhs]

I think the Trump Juggernaut has sealed up the Republican nomination. An eleventh hour dark hors candidate is much more likely on the Democrat side. Like Gavin Newsom.

They're still trying to get the remains of DeSantis off the debate floor where Newsom left him.

 

[Fidelio]

So this Pence feller needs the votes of people who want to lynch him. I stand to be corrected.

 

[dirtywick]

He's a 'bad person' because he was a Republican Trump VP and admitting he did anything decent makes him somehow less of a 'bad person' in B & W thinking. A person can be a coward all their life but that doesn't mean when they actually do something that took courage, that action wasn't courageous.

for some reason in consecutive posts i have to write it's not because he's a republican. i've also already addressed this by saying he should be given an appropriate amount of credit. it's a pretty minimal amount of right thing being done and courage involved here imo, and he gets that much credit.

but let me ask you this, since you don't seem to want me to call him a bad person and are inventing some political motive to why i'm saying that: do you think he is a good person?

 

[Stacyhs]

yeah, while he consistently couldn't do the right thing, in the end he barely didn't do the wrong thing is something you could give him credit for. an appropriate amount of credit, throwing around words like courage seems almost cynical imo

to be clear, it's not because he's a republican, it's because he's a bad person that spent 4 years enabling and furthering the circumstance that led to it. could have used some of that courage a while ago.

for some reason in consecutive posts i have to write it's not because he's a republican. i've also already addressed this by saying he should be given an appropriate amount of credit. it's a pretty minimal amount of right thing being done and courage involved here imo, and he gets that much credit.

All the above are just sarcasm.

but let me ask you this, since you don't seem to want me to call him a bad person and are inventing some political motive to why i'm saying that: do you think he is a good person?

Nice spin on what I didn't say. I can see where this conversation is already going and I choose not to get on that merry-go-round.

 

[dirtywick]

All the above are just sarcasm.

no, they're not. mike pence, VP of the US swore an oath to the constitution, sat back and said "well you're going to overthrow the government. i'm not going to help you, but i'm not going to stop you either" and basically that's exactly what he did.

and i think it's somewhat cynical to call that courage, and all you did was accuse me of irrational partisanship rather than address my point. i'm not mad, but it's off base and unfair.

Nice spin on what I didn't say. I can see where this conversation is already going and I choose not to get on that merry-go-round.

i just want to know why is it when you call him a bad guy it's fine, when i do it it's because i'm a partisan?

 

[Stacyhs]

no, they're not. mike pence, VP of the US swore an oath to the constitution, sat back and said "well you're going to overthrow the government. i'm not going to help you, but i'm not going to stop you either" and basically that's exactly what he did.

and i think it's somewhat cynical to call that courage, and all you did was accuse me of irrational partisanship rather than address my point. i'm not mad, but it's off base and unfair.




i just want to know why is it when you call him a bad guy it's fine, when i do it it's because i'm a partisan?

I did address your point. Your response is exactly why I said I wasn't going to get on the merry-go-round I could see was coming. So, I'm not going to address any more of your posts on this topic. It would be a waste of time. Bye.

 

[dirtywick]

wow, can't help but feel a little short changed after politely sitting through your ad homs and strawmen that you think your time was wasted. oh well, take your ball and go home.

 

[Stacyhs]

wow, can't help but feel a little short changed after politely sitting through your ad homs and strawmen that you think your time was wasted. oh well, take your ball and go home.

Can I offer you some baked brie with that whine?

 

[dirtywick]

keep it