Mike Pence Aiming at 2024?

I honestly suspect there are more right wingers who think Pence should be shot for treason for falling to help steal the 2020 election than would support him in a Presidential run.
 
And now, with the CNN town hall announcement, my prophetic dream unfolds towards validation. Too bad the million dollar challenge no longer exists... :)
 
stanfr said:
And now, with the CNN town hall announcement, my prophetic dream unfolds towards validation. Too bad the million dollar challenge no longer exists... :)
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YOU were saying that De Santis had it all locked up a few weeks ago....can you please make up your mind?
One would almost beleive you are just talking the piss to get a reaction.
 
dudalb said:
YOU were saying that De Santis had it all locked up a few weeks ago....can you please make up your mind?
One would almost beleive you are just talking the piss to get a reaction.
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I think you are confusing me with another poster, i haven't said a peep about Desantis on this forum. I understand, im growing senile in my old age too. ;)
 
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If God had wanted Mike Pence to become POTUS, he would have killed Trump on Jan 21, 2017.
 
Remember how some were considering Pence a "hero" for actually, you know, doing his job on January 6 as part of the election certification process?

The story might not have been as clear cut...

From: ABC News
According to sources, one of Pence's notes obtained by Smith's team shows that, days before Pence was set to preside over Congress certifying the election results on Jan. 6, 2021, he momentarily decided that he would skip the proceedings altogether, writing in the note that there were "too many questions" and it would otherwise be "too hurtful to my friend."

This was of course after Pence had already told Trump that he didn't think that the election was fraudulent and that he didn't have the authority not to certify the results.
 
But the fact is he didn't skip it and didn't certify the election results. I don't like Pence but give credit where credit is due. I can think of a lot of Trump's lickspittles that could have been VP and who would have done exactly what Trump wanted Pence to do.
 
Stacyhs said:
But the fact is he didn't skip it and didn't certify the election results. I don't like Pence but give credit where credit is due. I can think of a lot of Trump's lickspittles that could have been VP and who would have done exactly what Trump wanted Pence to do.
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Oh yes, I'll give Pence exactly the credit he deserves for deciding at the very last minute of his tenure to do the bare minimum required of him by his job.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Oh yes, I'll give Pence exactly the credit he deserves for deciding at the very last minute of his tenure to do the bare minimum required of him by his job.
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A task that he had to actually ask Dan Quale for advice about "Can I avoid this?".

A task where afterwards, he dutifully fell back in line and did little to push for Trump's impeachment or removal via the 25th amendment.
 
Why do some people find it impossible to acknowledge anything positive about a politician they don't like as if doing so is going to make them burst into flames? It's another example of black and white thinking: it has to be all good or all bad with nothing in-between.

Pence could have been a coward and buckled to Trump's pressure and threats and refused to preside over the certification of the Electoral votes. Think what would have resulted from that. There were/are far too many Republicans who would have done exactly what Trump told them to do. What is so darn hard about acknowledging that Pence averted a national crisis? It's petty and childish.
 
Stacyhs said:
Why do some people find it impossible to acknowledge anything positive about a politician they don't like as if doing so is going to make them burst into flames? It's another example of black and white thinking: it has to be all good or all bad with nothing in-between.

Pence could have been a coward and buckled to Trump's pressure and threats and refused to preside over the certification of the Electoral votes. Think what would have resulted from that. There were/are far too many Republicans who would have done exactly what Trump told them to do. What is so darn hard about acknowledging that Pence averted a national crisis? It's petty and childish.
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You have to give Pence credit for his actions on January 6th. He stood up for the country that day. My problem with him is that he didn’t tear into Trump. He seems to think he can straddle the fence. Play it both ways. He still has delusions of winning the GOP nomination. It ain't ever going to happen. Not in 2024, not 2028, never. His halfway principles sinks him.

One of two things is going to happen. Either Trump wins the election and we're all screwed. Or Trump sinks the GOP in 2024 and MAGA becomes a dirty word.

I say 2024 only because it will revive in some fashion.
 
Stacyhs said:
Why do some people find it impossible to acknowledge anything positive about a politician they don't like...
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For the same reason they don't erect monuments to me for not kicking puppies. Sometimes just doing the bare minimum isn't something that should be praised.

Add to that the fact that he was a contributor to the whole situation in the first place, by supporting Trump for the previous 4 years.

And the fact that people aren't praising Pence here doesn't mean that they will never praise any politician they don't like. Take for example, George Bush. Yes, he is widely condemned for many things (the Iraq war, the use of torture, the economic recession of 2008, etc.) But I think even democrats will probably say that his actions in improving medical care in the 3rd world was a good thing. The difference between Bush and Pence... Bush's actions over improved medical care was something above and beyond what would normally have been expected, while Pence's actions were the bare minimum.

Pence could have been a coward and buckled to Trump's pressure and threats and refused to preside over the certification of the Electoral votes.
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You're right, he could have refused to certify the results.

On the other hand, he could have 1) not agreed to be Trump's running mate in the first place, 2) resigned from his position as VP in the middle of Trump's term in protest of Trump's obvious corruption, 3) certified the 2020 election, and after Trump's role in the terrorist attack became clear lead the call to invoke the 25th amendment to have him removed. Any one of those would have been an improvement over what he actually did, and something actually worth praising him for.
 
While basically all the other criticisms of Pence here are perfectly valid, 'doing the bare minimum for the job', while not praiseworthy normally, it is a bit different to do it while your life is actively being threatened.

So yes, it's pathetic that he had to be talked into doing his basic duty in the first place. Doing the job on that day after all that went on deserves some kudos regardless.
 
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While basically all the other criticisms of Pence here are perfectly valid, 'doing the bare minimum for the job', while not praiseworthy normally, it is a bit different to do it while your life is actively being threatened.

So yes, it's pathetic that he had to be talked into doing his basic duty in the first place. Doing the job on that day after all that went on deserves some kudos regardless.
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Well, I guess the question is, what type of risk was he really under (or, more appropriately, what type of risk did he THINK his life was under).

When he first decided to, you know, do the bare minimum his job requires, the terrorist attack hadn't started yet. (Remember, the main reason for his hesitation was not "I'll get killed for doing this", but "This will hurt my BFF Trump".) There is a good chance he did not even contemplate any real threat to his life. And of course after the terrorists were dispersed, he was under no real risk at that point. Plus, at all times he had a secret service detail
 
Stacyhs said:
Why do some people find it impossible to acknowledge anything positive about a politician they don't like as if doing so is going to make them burst into flames? It's another example of black and white thinking: it has to be all good or all bad with nothing in-between.

Pence could have been a coward and buckled to Trump's pressure and threats and refused to preside over the certification of the Electoral votes. Think what would have resulted from that. There were/are far too many Republicans who would have done exactly what Trump told them to do. What is so darn hard about acknowledging that Pence averted a national crisis? It's petty and childish.
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Because praising Pence for exhibiting the barest lack of treanous cravenness for about five seconds on Jan. 6th would be at the level of praising Hitler for loving dogs.
 
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